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    Richard Johnson for England?

    I just thought I'd put up a thread commenting on Richard Johnson's exellent start to the English county season. On a couple of occasions previously, he has come close to gaining selection for England, and I wondered if he might finally get the nod this summer when Zimbabwe tour.

    What does everyone else think? I have included some stats to enhance the claim, as it were!

    FC Career 3291.5 10467 399 26.23 10-45 15 3 49.5 3.17
    2002 307.1 66 914 43 21.25 7-43 2 1 42.8 2.97
    2001 463.2 89 1474 62 23.77 5-40 5 0 44.8 3.18
    2000 473 129 1429 50 28.58 6-71 2 0 56.7 3.02
    1999 133.3 30 453 16 28.31 4-50 - - 50.0 3.39
    1998 377.2 77 1369 50 27.38 7-86 1 - 45.2 3.62

    As you can see, he really is one of the most consistent performers around, and particularly in the last two years seems to have just gone up another notch. Couple that with his start to the 2003 season (15 wickets at 19 in the first three games, and as I write this he currently has 4-47 against Derbyshire - the first of which, Michael Di Venuto, is his 400th FC wicket - not to mention a maiden FC century!), and he has as good a claim as anyone to get a chance against Zimbabwe, which for me is a great chance to give some new players a go.

    I feel with Gough not ready yet, Hoggard out of favour, Jones injured, and I'm not a fan of Harmison there could never be a better situation than to give someone like Richard Johnson (not old at 28) and James Anderson a crack at the big time. Caddick and Flintoff and Giles rounds off a more than capable attack, and if some of the players mentioned above don't get it back then he could be a good player, and for a fair few years. Look what WI lost by not giving Vasbert Drakes a run earlier.
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    Personally I'd be very shocked if he did get a call up, expecting the attack for the First Test to be:

    Anderson, Harmison, Hoggard/Caddick, Flintoff, Giles
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    Err Marc did you say the "H" word? And i dont mean Hoggard :O


    I think Johnson definitely deserves a call up, if he is genuinly needed and wont be thrown on the scrapheap immediatly
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    You can't say he doesn't deserve it. He's improved massively since joining Somerset and he did better than Ormond in India in a tour match yet Ormond was chosen to play in the Test and didn't make much of an impression. Johnson certainly is more deserving than Harmison who has yet to show he can actually bowl with any control whatsoever. Richard Johnson, Kevin Dean and Martin Saggers are all superb bowlers but yet we throw in people like Harmison into the Test Side on potential alone. Another unlucky name, who played a few Tests before he was really ready and has now become one of the best bowling all-rounders in the country, is Martin Bicknell, although on current form I think the years have caught up with him, he's looking a shadow of the Bickers who has been one of the main reasons for Surrey's success.
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    Yes, he's deserving of it.

    And leave Steve Harmison alone. Yeah, he shouldn't ever be let near an ODI ever again, but he's been one of the most impressive (and most economical) FIRST CLASS bowlers so fair in 2003.
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    Originally posted by Neil Pickup
    Yes, he's deserving of it.

    And leave Steve Harmison alone. Yeah, he shouldn't ever be let near an ODI ever again, but he's been one of the most impressive (and most economical) FIRST CLASS bowlers so fair in 2003.

    Is someone who should never be let near an ODI again capable of carrying Englands attack in a test match? I dont think so... Anyway sides like Australia are playing the game like everything is an ODI now anyway....

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    Originally posted by Langeveldt
    Is someone who should never be let near an ODI again capable of carrying Englands attack in a test match? I dont think so... Anyway sides like Australia are playing the game like everything is an ODI now anyway....
    Given that ODIs and Tests are completely different forms of the game... and besides he's not carrying the attack. Mervyn Dillon carried the WI attack of late, Chaminda the SL pace attack etc.

    And I think your last comment is a touch a) simplistic and b) irrelevant as Harmison's ODI problem is wides.

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    Originally posted by Neil Pickup
    Yes, he's deserving of it.

    And leave Steve Harmison alone. Yeah, he shouldn't ever be let near an ODI ever again, but he's been one of the most impressive (and most economical) FIRST CLASS bowlers so fair in 2003.
    Economical? Maybe he's bowling so wide the batsmen can't reach the ball? :saint:

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    Originally posted by Neil Pickup
    Given that ODIs and Tests are completely different forms of the game... and besides he's not carrying the attack. Mervyn Dillon carried the WI attack of late, Chaminda the SL pace attack etc.

    And I think your last comment is a touch a) simplistic and b) irrelevant as Harmison's ODI problem is wides.
    Maybe Neil you are forgetting that not only is accuracy needed in ODIs in order to get wickets, but it's the case in Tests too. If someone with a Test average in the mid-to-high 40s and an obvious inability to bowl straight deserves to be picked for his country in any form when there are other, much better qualified and obviously superior bowlers being left out at his expense then I wouldn't mind hearing it...

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    Originally posted by Rik
    Maybe Neil you are forgetting that not only is accuracy needed in ODIs in order to get wickets, but it's the case in Tests too. If someone with a Test average in the mid-to-high 40s and an obvious inability to bowl straight deserves to be picked for his country in any form when there are other, much better qualified and obviously superior bowlers being left out at his expense then I wouldn't mind hearing it...
    What I think Neil is saying is that the rules are less serve in Tests, therefore Harmison bowling a foot outside off can be a tactic of slowing the scoring (eg Giles in India etc) whereas the same line in ODI get given as wides.

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    Originally posted by Rich2001
    What I think Neil is saying is that the rules are less serve in Tests, therefore Harmison bowling a foot outside off can be a tactic of slowing the scoring (eg Giles in India etc) whereas the same line in ODI get given as wides.
    I know that, but is it likely to take wickets? You know, it is wickets that win Tests...you've got to get 20 of them, bowling a foot outside off isn't going to do that...

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    Originally posted by Rik
    I know that, but is it likely to take wickets? You know, it is wickets that win Tests...you've got to get 20 of them, bowling a foot outside off isn't going to do that...
    Yes very true, but we aren't talking that Harmison bowls a foot (or more ) outside off every ball, just that he can get away with the odd :saint: wayward ball every now and there, unlike in ODI...

    Economical? Maybe he's bowling so wide the batsmen can't reach the ball?
    His current Econ is 2.07 in FC matches this season... Compared to Gough 3.47.....

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    Originally posted by Rich2001
    His current Econ is 2.07 in FC matches this season... Compared to Gough 3.47.....
    Yeah but his strike rate is just under 70 which suggests he's bowling enough balls that the batsmen don't feel they need to bother with
    Last edited by Rik; 30-04-2003 at 04:34 PM.

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    Originally posted by Rik
    Yeah but his strike rate is just under 70 :O

    Actually I think your find it's only 53.5, which seems bad but look at a few of the names he is ahead of....


    S.Harmison - Avg 18.50 / SR 53.5


    Selection Of Fellow Div 2 Players


    W.Akram (Pak) - Avg 32.71 / SR 54.8

    D.Cork (Eng) - Avg 36 / SR 57.5

    M.Hoggard (Eng) - Avg 37 / SR 84

    A.Mullally (Eng) - Avg 42.20 / SR 79.2

    K Dean (Eng) - Avg 43.50 / SR 69

    J.Srinath (Ind) - Avg 46 / SR 99

    A.Nel (SA) - Avg 102 / SR 177

    M.Harrity (Aus) - Avg 122 / SR 220


    Selection Of Div 1 Players

    A.Flintoff (Eng) - Avg 28 / SR 64.5

    R.Irani (Eng) - Avg 33 / SR 69

    M.Clark (Aus) - Avg 36.66 / SR 66

    S.Brant (Aus) - Avg 48.60 / 79.4

    D.Brown (Eng) - Avg 49 / SR 84

    R.Martin-Jenkins (Eng) - Avg 52 / SR 90

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    Originally posted by Rich2001
    Actually I think your find it's only 53.5, which seems bad but look at a few of the names he is ahead of....


    S.Harmison - Avg 18.50 / SR 53.5


    Selection Of Fellow Div 2 Players


    W.Akram (Pak) - Avg 32.71 / SR 54.8

    D.Cork (Eng) - Avg 36 / SR 57.5

    M.Hoggard (Eng) - Avg 37 / SR 84

    A.Mullally (Eng) - Avg 42.20 / SR 79.2

    K Dean (Eng) - Avg 43.50 / SR 69

    J.Srinath (Ind) - Avg 46 / SR 99

    A.Nel (SA) - Avg 102 / SR 177

    M.Harrity (Aus) - Avg 122 / SR 220


    Selection Of Div 1 Players

    A.Flintoff (Eng) - Avg 28 / SR 64.5

    R.Irani (Eng) - Avg 33 / SR 69

    M.Clark (Aus) - Avg 36.66 / SR 66

    S.Brant (Aus) - Avg 48.60 / 79.4

    D.Brown (Eng) - Avg 49 / SR 84

    R.Martin-Jenkins (Eng) - Avg 52 / SR 90
    So your taking this on the basis of 2 CC games, and a few players who have played against the Unis? Rushing into it a bit arn't we?

    I'm including his performance so far in the match against Gloucestershire in which his strike rate has jumped from 53.5 to 69.2
    Last edited by Rik; 30-04-2003 at 04:48 PM.

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