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  • Ian Botham

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  • Andrew Flintoff

    4 7.84%
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    7 13.73%
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    For the guys who saw Botham play, when would you say his decline begun. Based on stats it seems like after the 5-0 drubbing in the WI in 86, if it when so may i ask?
    IMO, around 1982.

    His biggest failure was that he spent such an early part of his career as a cricketing superman that he never accepted his decline and how his back and associated issues impacted him.

    He also was such a natural and fluently technical batsman that he never bothered to work out the couple of kinks he had.

    The legacy of Botham is that he gave 5 years of possibly the greatest cricket ever played and then his continued selection and the lack of acceptance (by him, the public and selectors) that a new role was needed held Enlgand back for upto 15 years.

    A shame that there was a negative legacy to his career but it wasnt all his fault and before the back he was as good as there has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    For the guys who saw Botham play, when would you say his decline begun. Based on stats it seems like after the 5-0 drubbing in the WI in 86, if it when so may i ask?
    You sure you don't mean the 5-0 drubbing in 1984?
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    Botham was still the best bowler in England in 1985 when he bowled quicker than he'd ever done - not that express press was his main asset, but that summer he was quick.
    Although he came back after his ban against New Zealand and immediately broke the all time record for number of wickets he wasn't the same as before dispite the occasional match winning performance. Trevor Bailey on TMS commented that he was only in the side in the late 80's for what he might do rather based on actual recent achievement. By his own standards you could argue that he started to decline in after 1982, but it was really around 1988 when the "experts" started to question his place in the side.

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    Interesting stuff Goughy & L&T..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    You sure you don't mean the 5-0 drubbing in 1984?
    nah 86 why though?

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    Because there was also a blackwash in 1984, and midway through that series was the point when Botham's batting begun to stop being productive. His bowling had already done so quite a while before, but as pointed-out he had one last hurrah in the summer of 1985 when he was once more England's best bowler against Australia, though nowhere near as good as he had been 1977-1981.
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    botham by miles and miles, flintoff may have had his days but career-wise doesn't compare....

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