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    The Stephen Fleming Appreciation Society

    Bet you're surprised I made this

    What it says on the tin really, my summary on him is:

    Batsman: Good batsman, conversion rate was what stopped him from being an NZ great
    Slip: One of the greats
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    I would like some nut out there to calculate what his averages would have been had he converted the 60-90s to 100s.

    I like him as a captain because he's pro-active and always jump a few steps ahead of the opposition captain (Certain Smith fella comes to mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie1 View Post
    I would like some nut out there to calculate what his averages would have been had he converted the 60-90s to 100s.

    I like him as a captain because he's pro-active and always jump a few steps ahead of the opposition captain (Certain Smith fella comes to mind).
    I think it was worked out that if he converted half his 50s to 100s he'd average at least 45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie1 View Post
    I would like some nut out there to calculate what his averages would have been had he converted the 60-90s to 100s.

    I like him as a captain because he's pro-active and always jump a few steps ahead of the opposition captain (Certain Smith fella comes to mind).
    He made 27 scores between 60 and 90. Of scores between 60 and 90 he averaged 80.45, so 20 extra runs per innings times 27 is 540 extra runs in total.

    Bumps his average up to about 43.1.

    Correct me if I did the above wrong.


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    Averages 45 overseas, which is more than Crowe did. Think he's incredibly underrated on this front.

    Somewhat dire at home, has to be said.
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    We shall miss you Flem.

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    Hmmm, maybe Fleming always looking good but getting out in the 50-100 range when set had a negative effect on the other batsmen in the team, hence the distinct lack of centuries from NZ batsmen in the 2000s.

    Now that he is gone, hopefully his influence will go with him.
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    Great skipper and probably if he played in a more consistently successful test side would have averaged closer to 50
    even if that is somewhat of a self-fulfilling phophecy

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    I'll post some proper analysis of why Fleming the batsman disappointed me a little sometime. Don't have time right now. But yes, one of the very best slip-fielders, and a superb captain for a long time.

    Along with Astle and McMillan, one of my favourite New Zealand players who was in the team when I first noticed that New Zealand had a cricket team, and remained in there for a good few years.
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    One of the best players to watch when on song and could play all the shots. He was plagued by the inability to convert starts but he has been the bright light in NZ cricket for many years now and his captaincy skills will be sorely missed. I thought it was extremely insulting for the New Zealand board to strip him of the captaincy after he stepped down from the one day after all he has contributed but it was good for him to get his average over 40.

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    lol... why couldn't you guys appreciate him when he was active???




    Anyways, good batsman and a good captain, slightly over rated as a captain for me, he had his share of bad moments as a captain..... And his aggro stuff always looked very artificial to me, whenever he did do it.


    But still, quite easily one of the better captains I have seen, alongside Taylor and Ranatunga and Sourav Ganguly....... And tactically, for me, only Taylor comes close to him and even then, I think Fleming was better.
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    Fleming I miss your captaincy on the field
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    when I first noticed that New Zealand had a cricket team
    Haha

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    The dates I first noticed international countries had cricket teams:
    England: 1992
    Pakistan: 1992
    Australia: 1993
    West Indies: 1994
    South Africa: 1994
    India: 1996
    New Zealand: 1996
    Sri Lanka: 1998
    Zimbabwe: 1999

    Date I first started to take much notice of who played for international teams:
    England: 1992
    South Africa: 1998
    Everyone else: 1999

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    TBF I'm still unsure if Zimbabwe have a team

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