He is still bitter isn't he about being dropped the captaincy by the Braces muppets?
"Good question Rig. 4 months ago.... (time he got told he won't captain the test side)"
He is still bitter isn't he about being dropped the captaincy by the Braces muppets?
Top three for me:Best Flem moment anyone?
I wonder if anyone can actually remember Ian Robinson for anything else other than his inability to give New Zealanders wickets in that Perth test in 2001....personally none spring to mind.Has to be the WACA 2001/02 Test really - scored a century, and almost won the game (very possibly would have but for Ian Robinson). Had he done so, he'd have been the only captain to captain a side to victory in Australia in the last 15 years.
1) The countless times he started a batting collapse after looking set.Best Flem moment anyone?
Every time as in never?4) Every time Bracken .. nailed him LBW.
Ha ha, and people like you call yourselfs fans of NZ cricket1) The countless times he started a batting collapse after looking set.
2) His inability to lead by example
3) The time he sent in Kyle MIlls ahead of himself at 3 against SA when batting looked "a bit tough".
4) Every time Bracken or Vaas nailed him LBW.
Just a few off the top of my head. Long may memory of him be forgotten.
In other words, you just got owned.Every time as in never?
Out four times LBW in ODI matches against Australia - twice to Lee, once to McGrath and once to Hogg.
Try again.
Fair enough, but Bracken got his man every 3rd game they played. Vaas had him LBW 5/28 times they were both playing. Make of that what you will.Every time as in never?
Out four times LBW in ODI matches against Australia - twice to Lee, once to McGrath and once to Hogg.
Try again.
Go find me a better skipper and batsman in 90's doemstic cricket and you can have your bitchy little whinges in this thread labelled "correct"Fair enough, but Bracken got his man every 3rd game they played. Vaas had him LBW 5/28 times they were both playing. Make of that what you will.
Fleming's reign was anathema to New Zealand cricket. He should never have been captain as long as he was. His batting showed little improvement throughout his career despite his obvious potential; he's constantly said he's "not mentally strong enough"; and, well, as a leader, he has not lead by example.
Not the captain I'd want. Heck, not the boss I'd want in any job.
He's had his moments, got a lot of NZ records becaue he's played the most games, captained us well when he was young, but his time should ahve ended as captain years ago.
...as did his occassional opening stints, which should never have occured, due to his tendency to get rooted to the crease against quality swing-and-seam (ala McGrath in NZ 2005). In his favour though, his record overseas was very good.Bet you're surprised I made this
What it says on the tin really, my summary on him is:
Batsman: Good batsman, conversion rate was what stopped him from being an NZ great
Slip: One of the greats
Captain: One of the greats
To be fair, some of his more highly rated innings came in the opening position (134* vs SA in the World Cup, 106 vs Fica XI, the second innings after his 274 against Sri Lanka, 100 against England at Trent Bridge in 2004). He had the technique and in order to find the best balance within the side it was pretty logical IMO....as did his occassional opening stints, which should never have occured, due to his tendency to get rooted to the crease against quality swing-and-seam (ala McGrath in NZ 2005). In his favour though, his record overseas was very good.
I agree with the rest of your sentiments, although, while he was certainly a modern captaincy great (1997-), we can't concusively say that he was a true all-time great. I'm not ruling that possibility out, though.
A 69* ranks among his best innings?To be fair, some of his more highly rated innings came in the opening position (134* vs SA in the World Cup, 106 vs Fica XI, the second innings after his 274 against Sri Lanka, 100 against England at Trent Bridge in 2004). He had the technique and in order to find the best balance within the side it was pretty logical IMO.