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    They don't any more, haven't since April 2003. But they used to. And in 1999, they had a pretty damn good one.

    Well, good enough to knock England out of their own World Cup anyway.
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    Best Flem moment anyone?
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    Has to be the WACA 2001/02 Test really - scored a century, and almost won the game (very possibly would have but for Ian Robinson). Had he done so, he'd have been the only captain to captain a side to victory in Australia in the last 15 years.

    We'll forget for a moment that but for rain he could perfectly possibly have been 2-0 down going into the game. But then the only other team to win a series in Australia in the last 20 years, West Indies in 1992/93, were also exceedingly fortunate to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox View Post
    Best Flem moment anyone?
    I would say 2003 WC match against SA. In test matches , it should be against Australia in the year 2001-02 (IIRC) where NZ drew all the three test matches
    "When they had a plan for Cooky, I was telling him what they will do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox View Post
    He is still bitter isn't he about being dropped the captaincy by the Braces muppets?

    "Good question Rig. 4 months ago.... (time he got told he won't captain the test side)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox View Post
    Best Flem moment anyone?
    Top three for me:
    134* vs South Africa in the 2003 World Cup.
    Century off about 60 deliveries against Murali and Warne's FICA XI in January 2005 at Christchurch.
    274 and 69 against Sri Lanka (against Murali again) in Sri Lanka in 2003.

    Obviously theres a host of other possibilities (262 against South Africa especially) but those ones listed above are personally my favourites innings from Fleming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Has to be the WACA 2001/02 Test really - scored a century, and almost won the game (very possibly would have but for Ian Robinson). Had he done so, he'd have been the only captain to captain a side to victory in Australia in the last 15 years.
    I wonder if anyone can actually remember Ian Robinson for anything else other than his inability to give New Zealanders wickets in that Perth test in 2001....personally none spring to mind.

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    I remember him for his disgraceful failure to act as Courtney Walsh bombarded Devon Malcolm with a succession of vicious, needless Bouncers at the end of a Test at Sabina Park in 1994.

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    I wrote a tribute to the man for the student magazine at my university, hope it gets published this week.

    I'll post it here some time in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox View Post
    Best Flem moment anyone?
    1) The countless times he started a batting collapse after looking set.
    2) His inability to lead by example
    3) The time he sent in Kyle MIlls ahead of himself at 3 against SA when batting looked "a bit tough".
    4) Every time Bracken or Vaas nailed him LBW.

    Just a few off the top of my head. Long may memory of him be forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macka View Post
    4) Every time Bracken .. nailed him LBW.
    Every time as in never?

    Out four times LBW in ODI matches against Australia - twice to Lee, once to McGrath and once to Hogg.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macka View Post
    1) The countless times he started a batting collapse after looking set.
    2) His inability to lead by example
    3) The time he sent in Kyle MIlls ahead of himself at 3 against SA when batting looked "a bit tough".
    4) Every time Bracken or Vaas nailed him LBW.

    Just a few off the top of my head. Long may memory of him be forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman View Post
    Every time as in never?

    Out four times LBW in ODI matches against Australia - twice to Lee, once to McGrath and once to Hogg.

    Try again.
    In other words, you just got owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman View Post
    Every time as in never?

    Out four times LBW in ODI matches against Australia - twice to Lee, once to McGrath and once to Hogg.

    Try again.
    Fair enough, but Bracken got his man every 3rd game they played. Vaas had him LBW 5/28 times they were both playing. Make of that what you will.

    Fleming's reign was anathema to New Zealand cricket. He should never have been captain as long as he was. His batting showed little improvement throughout his career despite his obvious potential; he's constantly said he's "not mentally strong enough"; and, well, as a leader, he has not lead by example.

    Not the captain I'd want. Heck, not the boss I'd want in any job.

    He's had his moments, got a lot of NZ records becaue he's played the most games, captained us well when he was young, but his time should ahve ended as captain years ago.

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