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Probably been done but: Mud XI for each nation?

Flem274*

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Thought it could be fun and interesting as well as let DoG loose in here instead of the tour thread:p

There'll be some unknown pieces of rubbish dragged into the limelight I'm sure.

They must have played more than a couple of tests/ODIs as well, not sure what the cut off mark should be.
 

Magrat Garlick

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England's too easy.

Australia's almost impossible though, unless you go back to the late 80s.

M Elliott
J Maher
M Di Venuto
J Hopes
C White
M Veletta
+R Campbell
N Hauritz
B Williams
B Dorey
M Lewis

...which would still beat England nine times out of ten.
 

bond21

Banned
England's too easy.

Australia's almost impossible though, unless you go back to the late 80s.

M Elliott
J Maher
M Di Venuto
J Hopes
C White
M Veletta
+R Campbell
N Hauritz
B Williams
B Dorey
M Lewis

...which would still beat England nine times out of ten.
Elliott....Hopes...wtf.

Elliott was the next big thing until he got injured and never made it back and Hopes has been impressive in the ODIs.

And has Hauritz played for Aus yet? If he has cant have been more than 1 or 2 ODIs
 

bond21

Banned
Thought it could be fun and interesting as well as let DoG loose in here instead of the tour thread:p

There'll be some unknown pieces of rubbish dragged into the limelight I'm sure.

They must have played more than a couple of tests/ODIs as well, not sure what the cut off mark should be.
id add Chris Rogers in there.
 

ret

International Debutant
- Jaffar
- D Gandhi
- Somsunder
- Kanitkar
- Bangar
- Deep Das Gupta
- Joginder Sharma
- SS Raul
- Noel David
- Doda Ganesh
- DJ Johnson
 

SirBloody Idiot

Cricketer Of The Year
he was when he played for Aus.

couldnt handle the big boys.
That's a stupid comment - the guy has played one test match after dominating for years at first class level.

I'm certain I could find plenty of players who had very average debuts and went on to have great careers.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
There's so many rubbish players that must have played for NZ in the early days. I don't think it's really fair to name them in an all-time mud XI.

So I will name this motley bunch:

Murray
Hartland
R. Jones
Douglas
Bradburn
Elliott
Germon (wk) (c)
Sultzberger
Penn
Wisneski
Bulfin

Twin spin attack should rip through sides on day five like a blunt old knife through wood...
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
South Africa

Test
Bacher
Liebenberg
Dippenaar
Rudi Steyn
van Jaarsveld
Strydom
Tsolekile
Botha
Eksteen
Pretorius
Willoughby


ODI
Bacher
Liebenberg
van Jaarsveld
Strydom
Prince
Crookes
Botha
Peterson
Bryson
Kruger
Willoughby
 

Zinzan

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England's too easy.

Australia's almost impossible though, unless you go back to the late 80s.

M Elliott
J Maher
M Di Venuto
J Hopes
C White
M Veletta
+R Campbell
N Hauritz
B Williams
B Dorey
M Lewis

...which would still beat England nine times out of ten.
Pretty much on the money that team. What really rubs salt into the wounds for us New Zealand fans as we'd give anything to have such quality batsmen as Matt Elliott, Di Venuto or Maher in our current test batting lineup. :laugh:

On that, If the NZ selectors are smart they should be investigating grandparent eligibility for some of these fringe Aussie cricketers that will never quite make the Aust XI, although truth be known, not sure many of them would get too excited about the prospects of playing test for NZ, but hey, worth a try :dry:
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
- Jaffar
- D Gandhi
- Somsunder
- Kanitkar
- Bangar
- Deep Das Gupta
- Joginder Sharma
- SS Raul
- Noel David
- Doda Ganesh
- DJ Johnson
Jaffer has a double century. Whether you think he is a good player or not....most people would love a double. And it's not like you have a shortage of failed openers to choose from in India.
 

DaRick

State Vice-Captain
Clearly, in order to make this Australian XI viable, we will have to make separate ones. The cut-off criteria, for me, given that Australian cricket from 1995- has largely avoided introducing duds, will be a mere 4 Tests and/or 8 ODI's. There were a multitude of substandard mid-80's Australian players, as we all know, but my area of expertise where the 80's are concerned is a tad too limited. I know the vast majority, if not all, of the Australian players who played Tests and ODI's during or after 1995, so I'll stick with that. In case some of my selections seem weird, I'll explain all of 'em.

Anyway, my Australian Test Mud XI 1995- is:
- MTG Elliott (talented opener, poor temperament/average)
- GS Blewett (talented batsman, served as opener, poor average)
- ML Love (his best feats came against Bangladesh, a really harsh call on my part)
- * SM Katich (his Test record is surprisingly unimpressive)
- MG Bevan (" ", although he offered more with the ball than Katich)
- GB Hogg (temperament went against him in a big way)
- AJ Bichel (it says a lot about the Australian XI from 1995- that he's here, but Kaspr>Bichel)
- BP Julian (talented left-arm seamer, poor average)
- G Robertson (could've been worse, but still warrants a place here)
- NW Bracken (Bracken the Test bowler is largely innocuous unless conditions are right)
- BA Williams (one good performance = poor average)

I couldn't pick a specialist keeper for my Mud XI - otherwise, I'd have to draft in Ian Healy. Keeping duties can be shared between Love and Elliott, as neither bowl much.

Anyway, my Australian ODI Mud XI 1995- is:
- MJ Slater (surprisingly poor ODI average)
- M Di Venuto (" ")
- BJ Hodge (" ", except against minnows and NZ)
- SG Law (" ")
- GS Blewett (" ", no room for him higher up and he has served in the middle order)
- +* JP Maher (" ", can be a surrogate keeper, as he has kept in ODI's)
- CL White (one of the worst 1995- to have played more than 10 ODI's, IMO)
- BP Julian (terrible ODI bowler, unpenetrative and expensive)
- G Robertson (" ")
- NM Hauritz (more penetrative, still too expensive)
- P Wilson (his ODI record, while not terrible, isn't all that)

So, here are my two mud XI's.

silentstriker said:
Jaffer has a double century. Whether you think he is a good player or not....most people would love a double. And it's not like you have a shortage of failed openers to choose from in India.
He's got two, IIRC.
 
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HeathDavisSpeed

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I couldn't pick a specialist keeper for my Mud XI - otherwise, I'd have to draft in Ian Healy. Keeping duties can be shared between Love and Elliott, as neither bowl much.
Tim Zoehrer (.sic) would surely be the only contender for the Keeping position. Can't remember if he got a game post-95 though. He was certainly around that era though.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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West Indies Mud XI

Suruj Ragoonath
Adrian Griffith
Leon Garrick
Keith Semple
Ricardo Powell
Dwayne Smith
Courtney Browne (wk)
Mahendra Nagamootoo
Rawl Lewis
Adam Sanford
Patterson Thompson (WHY?!)

Special mention to Dave Bernard jr.
Admittedly a couple of these only played a couple of Tests. Also I've only picked players I've seen.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Its very tempting to put Daren Ganga in that WI XI. Very tempting indeed; though wholly unfair.

Didn't Griffith score a century on debut, or put on 250 for the first wicket with Sherwin Campbell(?) only to see the Windies collapse for about 320?
 

Burgey

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That's a stupid comment - the guy has played one test match after dominating for years at first class level.

I'm certain I could find plenty of players who had very average debuts and went on to have great careers.
D G Bradman springs to mind.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Its very tempting to put Daren Ganga in that WI XI. Very tempting indeed; though wholly unfair.

Didn't Griffith score a century on debut, or put on 250 for the first wicket with Sherwin Campbell(?) only to see the Windies collapse for about 320?
That wasn't his debut. He'd faced Australia earlier that year - 1999 IIRC. And he had an excellent tour of New Zealand, but lost the plot after that. Was never good enough for Tests. And I left out Ganga because he's been an excellent domestic batsman recently. I picked players who were ordinary at domestic level and very poor at Test level.

EDIT: 1997 he made his debut actually. So he played two series against Australia before that series in New Zealand.
 

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