# Thread: Replace the toss with the bid?

1. ## Replace the toss with the bid?

From: Wikipedia
Replace The Toss with The Bid
This proposal is currently being studied by The Cricket Committee of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

The two captains bid in runs for the right to elect to bat or field first. The team with the higher bid wins the right to elect.

The runs bid are awarded to the opposing side as Bid-Byes.

Bids should be for a minimum of Zero.

Should both captains bid the same number of runs then there will be a coin toss as currently but with the winner forfeiting the runs bid.

Example

Method 1 – closed bids

In a sealed envelope, the captain of Team A Bids 30 runs.

In a sealed envelope, the captain of Team B Bids 10 runs.

The captain of Team A has the right to elect to bat or field.

30 runs are awarded to Team B as bid byes.

If the sealed bids are tied then the coin is tossed. But the winner has the right to elect and the loser receives bid bye runs of the amount of the tied bids.

Method 2 - open auction

To create more theatre bids could be as in an open auction with the umpire asking for bids in jumps of 5 runs.

“Who bids 5 runs?

The captain of Team A raises his hand first.

Then to the captain of Team B the umpire asks: “Do you bid 10 runs?

If the captain of Team B answers “yes” to the captain of Team A the umpire asks: “Do you bid 15 runs?

And so on until a captain declines to bid more.

The winning captain has the right to elect to bat or field and the losing captain’s team receives bid bye runs of the amount of the bid.

Method 2 - open auction – provides more theatre and tension

Just stumbled across this what do we think?

2. This process awards a team free runs? Am I misunderstanding this? Because if I gather correctly, this is a terrible replacement for a coin toss.

3. Only one thing I'd want the toss replaced with, and that's something that involves cricket skills.

4. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
This process awards a team free runs? Am I misunderstanding this? Because if I gather correctly, this is a terrible replacement for a coin toss.
The more you bid and win the more runs the other team gets.

5. That's a terrible idea. It's a wonder than I'm hardly surprised at all that the ICC is considering it.

6. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
That's a terrible idea. It's a wonder than I'm hardly surprised at all that the ICC is considering it.
Doesn't sound that bad tbh. Will be quite interesting rather than just a coin toss. Although it could end up like an american sport. Still think it's not a bad idea though.

7. Originally Posted by cover drive man
Doesn't sound that bad tbh. Will be quite interesting rather than just a coin toss. Although it could end up like an american sport. Still think it's not a bad idea though.
How is giving away free runs any fairer than a coin toss? Considering that it's a competition between two sides. It imbalances the teams far greater than a coin toss ever could.

I also don't see why any spectator would be interested in it. Most of them don't care much about the coin toss anyway. They just want to see the cricket. This seems like an even more boring event, delaying the start of the cricket.

8. Hmm. Is considering? Or was in 1999?

9. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
How is giving away free runs any fairer than a coin toss? Considering that it's a competition between two sides. It imbalances the teams far greater than a coin toss ever could.

I also don't see why any spectator would be interested in it. Most of them don't care much about the coin toss anyway. They just want to see the cricket. This seems like an even more boring event, delaying the start of the cricket.
It can give away a bit of info about the opposing team.

10. Originally Posted by cover drive man
It can give away a bit of info about the opposing team.
...?

11. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
...?
Like who's more willing to get to choose. Or who's willing to go furthest or a look at the other captains mindset.

My poker experience has taught me well

12. Except not really. It adds nothing and imbalances the contest unfairly.

13. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
Except not really. It adds nothing and imbalances the contest unfairly.
How? you're team is just as much at risk as the other.

14. Originally Posted by cover drive man
How? you're team is just as much at risk as the other.
It's gambling. And it has nothing to do with cricket. It's the same premise as a toss, except this could affect the result of the game even more blatantly and drastically.

15. Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
It's gambling. And it has nothing to do with cricket. It's the same premise as a toss, except this could affect the result of the game even more blatantly and drastically.
Bit of psychology to it adds a bit of interest, not that bad.

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