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    Waugh, Border or Ponting?

    How would you rate Allan Border, Steve Waugh and Ricky Ponting, either as batsmen and as captains? I would probably give Ponting an edge over the others in terms of both.

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    Waugh, Ponting, Border in batting.
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    You've left the bloke who was the best Australian captain of the last 20 years out!

    As batsmen I'd take Punter in a flash. As captains it's a harder call; I'd probably give it to Border who grew into a role that was something of a poisoned chalice when he acceded. Ponting has improved out of sight as a captain, but his occasional utter gracelessness loses him marks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Waugh, Ponting, Border in batting.
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    Captaincy: Waugh, Border, Ponting. Though I believe Taylor was better than all 3.
    Batting: Waugh, Ponting, Border. I may end up ranking Ponting the best after all is said and done, but for now I give the edge to Waugh.

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    We are tempting one of those ``whose faced better bowling attack arguments`` here again. But what the hell.

    Ponting i would say easily would be the most naturally talented batsmen of the three followed by Waugh given that at his best as a batsman he was almost as good as Lara & Tendulkar then Border.

    Captaincy Border wins easily.

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    [QUOTE=BoyBrumby;1488052]You've left the bloke who was the best Australian captain of the last 20 years out!
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    I think Taylor is commonly accepted as the best captain and the least batsman of the lot, which is why I thought the comparision between Waugh, Ponting and Border would be more interesting.

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    Yeah, Taylor better than all 3 as captains. As captains, all 3 were pretty good, but all had things which held them back. I'd say Border, Waugh, Ponting.

    As batsmen, I've pretty much decided I'm going to give-up rating Ponting between now and the end of his career.

    As batsmen, Border vs Waugh is such a difficult one. Border played 156 Tests with not that much deterioration in performance at either start or finish, which is a quite astonishing performance, his average hovered a few marks over 50 for most of his time. Stephen Waugh "only" played 90-odd during the time he was any good, but when he was good, he was better than Border, averaging 61 in that time. Waugh also played 40-odd at the start of his career where he was mostly fairly average, but this doesn't overtly matter to me.

    I'll go for Border > Waugh, but only by the slenderest of margins. Ponting I've always thought, as everyone knows, was good, maybe somewhere close to as good as the aforementioned two, but probably not quite in their class. But as I say - let's see where he finishes.
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    Interesting to see how much the views vary thus far. I would have thought Ponting would have established himself far ahead of the other two, but it seems that's not the case.

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    Had he scored as he has at the same time as Waugh (or Border) he'd obviously be miles ahead.

    As it is, I honestly still expect most people would put him ahead.

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    Leadership is not what you achieve when the going is good, it's what you're able to do when the chips are down and only Border experienced that and rose from it. Taylor, Waugh and Ponting were handed winning teams on a silver platter.

    Batting too, I'd lean towards Border. Naturally less gifted, he was tenacious at the crease and only he experienced the WIndian pace battery at it's most explosive. In one series his average was twice that of the next best batsman.

    So, he leads on both counts in my book

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    Agree with Brumby on this one.

    For me it is clearly Ponting as a bat and Id take Border as a skipper.

    Nothing against Waugh in either category, its just tough competition
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    As Captains: Border, Waugh and Ponting.
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    I'd take Waugh as a skipper over both, because after the Madras tie, the only time AB declared was at customs, and I think Ponting's most challenging time as skipper has only just begun.

    As batsmen, I love both Ponting and Waugh - both really, really good players, but I'd have AB over both of them.
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    Waugh for both of them.
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