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    Should be a vey interesting series. I don't expect any tests to make it far into day five. Both rather brittle batting lineups depending heavily on two or three players. I think Murali may be the difference here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    You make it sound like Dilshan and Samaraweera are in their mid to late 30s. Dilshan and Samaraweera are only 31. Some guys only make their International debuts at that age. From what they showed at domestic level, they actually look like both are improving as batsmen, not declining.
    Samaraweera is 32. 32 is okay to debut for your country. But not so for a player who has been afforded as many opportunities as Samaraweera.

    The game in SL is in disarray is because we carried has-beens and non-performers till the day they chose otherwise or their selection was no longer politically desirable. This is the cause the problem we face now. Young players are being thrown into the deep without a safety net. Tharanga, Perera, Silva and to a lesser extent Kapugedra, have all failed completely the CB series. But are no consequences for these players or the selectors. Why? Because there simply are no experienced hands left in SL who could replace them even if we wanted to.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    You don't drop guys who are averaging near 40, something most batsmen in Sri Lanka's history have failed to do because they might have failed against the best attack in world. If they consistently under perform at Test level and guys below them are out performing them, then fair enough. But both have dominated domestic cricket and showed signs of improvements and are still young with five or so years left in International Cricket.
    Samaraweera's career average is duplicitous and you know it. He averages 25.53 outside of Sri Lanka. He has 0 centuries and 4 half-centuries outside the subcontinent and only 1 century away from Sri Lanka. Moreover his record is highly inflated by his scores against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

    Also I don't know how much weight I'd put to SL domestic records. Sure they are important but for mine failures at international level are far more telling of a player’s ability. And from all accounts, SL domestic cricket has been a debacle for many years (though signs are apparently heartening with this new provincial system though).

    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    Also West Indies aren't a side you bring in youngsters for the sake of it, unless they are performing at domestic level. They are a lot better side then what they have been in the recent past. Their performances in the South Africa showed that.
    It’s not about bringing in youngsters for the sake of it; it’s to develop a nucleus of players with whom SL can look to in future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionheart View Post
    Samaraweera is 32. 32 is okay to debut for your country. But not so for a player who has been afforded as many opportunities as Samaraweera.
    Cricinfo say 31: "Current age 31 years 162 days"

    The game in SL is in disarray is because we carried has-beens and non-performers till the day they chose otherwise or their selection was no longer politically desirable. This is the cause the problem we face now. Young players are being thrown into the deep without a safety net. Tharanga, Perera, Silva and to a lesser extent Kapugedra, have all failed completely the CB series. But are no consequences for these players or the selectors. Why? Because there simply are no experienced hands left in SL who could replace them even if we wanted to.
    You say there is no experienced hands to replace them, but the top performances in domestic cricket over the last couple season have been the likes of Lanka De Silva, Sajith Fernando, Dilshan, Warnupura and Avishka Gunawardene. But the belief is in Sri Lanka cricket that once a player is 30, they are too old and we should just pick some young 20 year old. Even if they are not even close being ready for International Cricket. If we keep using this policy we are going to get no where as a national. We will just have a bunch of late 20s or early 30 yo who are seen as has beens, cus they got picked before they were ready.


    Samaraweera's career average is duplicitous and you know it. He averages 25.53 outside of Sri Lanka. He has 0 centuries and 4 half-centuries outside the subcontinent and only 1 century away from Sri Lanka. Moreover his record is highly inflated by his scores against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
    Yeah we all know his record away from home, but really most Sri Lankan batsmen have had similar records at the same stage in their career. The only way this issue will be solved is by having more A tours away from home. It not going to help the issue if we pick guys like Kandamby and Kupugedera who have the same issue away from just playing for Sri Lanka A. Until they solve their own issue away from home for the A team, your better of selecting someone who showing signs of improving those areas that have effected him away from home at domestic level.

    Also I don't know how much weight I'd put to SL domestic records. Sure they are important but for mine failures at international level are far more telling of a player’s ability. And from all accounts, SL domestic cricket has been a debacle for many years (though signs are apparently heartening with this new provincial system though).
    There has been some significant improvement in domestic cricket, in terms of quality of cricket with more clubs having money to spend on players. Which in turn has improved the depth. The pitches are still useless, but the quality is quite good these days. The provincial series was a bit hit and miss as the players weren't still getting used to playing with each and they were producing there best cricket. The domestic cricket probably has been of better standard from all reports.


    It’s not about bringing in youngsters for the sake of it; it’s to develop a nucleus of players with whom SL can look to in future.
    Again guys like Dilshan and Samaraweera can still be the nucleus of the side for another 5 years. There no point trying to build a side for 10 years time, when majority of players aren't ready. The two guys they have kept of in theory are Kandamby and Kapu. I'm a massive fan of Kapu, but the guy hasn't scored any regular runs at any level outside youth cricket. He really needs to some performances on the board before getting recall the Test side. Don't have a major issue with him being in the OD squad, as we have less options in that form. With the likes of Vandort, Warnpura and Samaraweera always going to be Test specialist. With regard to Kandamby, this is his first season that he scored runs consistently. You shouldn't be selecting anyone on the basic of one good season, really you need a lot more consistency then that to be selected of NT side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    West Indies spin options are a lot better then they look. Most seem to out bowl the seamers in domestic cricket. It just they never seem to get a chance at International level and when they do, they are poorly used.
    I wonder if they're worse than they look - assuming that what you're looking at is domestic statistics - and prosper in domestic cricket largely because most batsmen are clueless against spin. The fact that they outbowl the seamers is damning them with faint praise given the generally ineffective test match performances of the seamers in question.


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    Won't know till they've been given a fair go.
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    Yeah thats the big thing with the spinners in West Indies, they never get a fair go. Even when they play, they never get a decent ball and when they do all they asked to do is keep a end tight. Whereas in domestic cricket most are used as attacking options and perform at their best in that style. But then you get some seamer who keep getting selected regardless of the fact they average 40 odd in Test and are overall as ineffective. IMO someone like Dave Mohammed could be the Windies best bowler if he got a decent run and got used properly.

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    Gayle named as captain.

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    Having Samaraweera is a bit of a handy-cap for fielding. Unless he has a spectacular season, I am more with Chamara Silva to bat in that position.

    Samaraweera was a top class all rounder in FC, but somebody killed his bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Having Samaraweera is a bit of a handy-cap for fielding. Unless he has a spectacular season, I am more with Chamara Silva to bat in that position.

    Samaraweera was a top class all rounder in FC, but somebody killed his bowling.
    Injuries I here...

    Kills most batting all rounders bowling. Reckon the FBI should put it on the 10 most wanted list.

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    Can't believe why the selectors didn't pick Kaushal Silva for the Windies tour. Such a good young talent who is currently 108 not out for SSC.

    Sangakkara is 211 not out for NCC.

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    Dilshan keeping and scoring a hundred, as well. Thurshara also got a 6-fer.

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    Amit Jaggernauth and Sulieman Benn in the squad for the first Test. Good to see some opportunities granted to spinners finally. Rawl Lewis excluded.

    Interestingly, Pedro Collins is also in the squad despite, afaik, signing for Surrey as Kolpak. Is he just getting some last chances at international cricket out before he essentially retires? Good to see Ryan Hinds there also. And no Runako Morton. No Daren Ganga either, so it'll be either Devon Smith or Sewnarine Chattergoon with Gayle at the top. Good money is on the in-form Smith.

    West Indies 1st Test squad (15)
    1.Chris Gayle (captain)
    2. Sewnarine Chattergoon
    3. Devon Smith
    4. Marlon Samuels
    5. Ramnaresh Sarwan
    6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    7. Dwayne Bravo
    8. Ryan Hinds
    9. Denesh Ramdin
    10. Sulieman Benn
    11. Amit Jaggernauth
    12. Pedro Collins
    13. Fidel Edwards
    14. Darren Powell
    15. Jerome Taylor
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    And my first Test XI:

    CH Gayle (c)
    DS Smith
    RR Sarwan
    MN Samuels
    S Chanderpaul
    DJ Bravo
    D Ramdin (wk)
    JE Taylor
    A Jaggernauth
    FH Edwards
    PT Collins

    12th Man: RO Hinds

    Hinds unlucky to miss out, but with Sarwan back, there's no room for him. Bravo is not a third seamer, so Edwards has to play. And Collins is in brilliant form for the second season running. He's earned a recall. Amit Jaggernauth hopefully will get a good run in the team, because he's been a fine bowler for Trinidad and Tobago, outshining the great Dave Mohammed.

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    Windies 15-man squad for the 1st test has been announced. Itís:

    1.Chris Gayle (captain)
    2. Sewnarine Chattergoon
    3. Devon Smith
    4. Marlon Samuels
    5. Ramnaresh Sarwan
    6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    7. Dwayne Bravo
    8. Ryan Hinds
    9. Denesh Ramdin
    10. Sulieman Benn
    11. Amit Jaggernauth
    12. Pedro Collins
    13. Fidel Edwards
    14. Darren Powell
    15. Jerome Taylor

    Seems a pretty balanced squad generally, though I think the selectors have abdicated responsibility to a degree in selecting 2 specialist spinners and 3 specialist openers. Darren Sammy should feel hard done by and would have provided another option (i.e. 3 specialist bowlers and deeper batting line-up).

    Otherwise, Ganga and Morton have paid for a succession of failures, while Devon Smith just about deserves to hang in there after regaining form in recent weeks. Ryan Hinds is presumably included to provide cover if Samuels succumbs to off field pressures or, perhaps, to offer a similar option to Sammy, as above.

    Canít argue with the quicks, though itís a shame none of the domestic bowlers have made a strong enough case to oust Powell, who continues to disappoint at test level.

    Good to see specialist spinners given a chance, though not sure whether consistent domestic success will translate to effective performances at test level.

    Still another round of first class games to go before the 1st test and Devon Smith, in particular, could sway the selectors one way or the other depending on his performance against table topping Jamaica, but my 1st XI would look like this:

    Gayle
    Smith
    Chanderpaul (best batsman should bat at 3 Ė simple!)
    Samuels
    Sarwan
    Bravo
    Ramdin
    Taylor
    Jaggernauth
    Edwards
    Collins

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    Sorry Mr M - my post took a while to sort out and hadn't seen yours. Even though we've ended up with the same team (batting order aside), I wasn't copying (honest!).

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