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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    So he's he new Cam White, but without the handicap of being Victorian?
    Yep. So, tipping him for 100+ Tests.

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    16 overs 0 wickets for 110 runs. rubbish.
    In fairness, everyone went the journey once Hartley and the tail got into it. Incidentally, so good to see Harris back and batting well. Distinctly remember when he was struggling to even face A-graders in the nets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvester View Post
    Yes when, not if. You can't tell me that he will never land the ball in the right line and length. Consistency is another matter and even if he did become consistent, if his leg spin doesn't turn (aka White) then hes never going to be overly threatening.
    Oh right, you mean one delivery, I was presuming you meant over the course of a lengthy period.

    Well if he's still never yet managed to do that then that's rather worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Yep. So, tipping him for 100+ Tests.



    In fairness, everyone went the journey once Hartley and the tail got into it. Incidentally, so good to see Harris back and batting well. Distinctly remember when he was struggling to even face A-graders in the nets.
    Granted I only saw the first 68 or so runs off his bowling, but it was rubbish. These runs came at a time when QLD were really struggling and Smith's woeful bowling helped Simpson who had just been hanging on prior to Smith coming on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    So Victorians actually genuinely do believe this stuff about Australia selectors being biased against Victorian players?
    Nah, its largely tongue in cheek, although enough Victorians seem to have undue difficulty being selected to give it some legs - there's plenty of smoke: off the top of my head in recent times Matty Elliott, Brad Hodge, David Hussey, Chris Rogers. Some examples are more egregious than others (Hodge is the stand out, and Rogers is currently very unlucky). And between the retirement of Merv Hughes and the selection of Peter Siddle, unless I'm forgetting someone, there was only one Vic who was able to retain a consistent place for more than a season in the XI - S.K. Warne.

    Mainly its feeds into the NSW-Vic rivalry and the fact that NSW players seem to have the rub of the green sometimes with selection decisions (the whole baggy green comes with baggy blue thing). SA cricket fans (eg Top Cat) would have similar gripes about their players like Blewett, Lehmann (esp), Siddons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Nah, its largely tongue in cheek, although enough Victorians seem to have undue difficulty being selected to give it some legs - there's plenty of smoke: off the top of my head in recent times Matty Elliott, Brad Hodge, David Hussey, Chris Rogers. Some examples are more egregious than others (Hodge is the stand out, and Rogers is currently very unlucky). And between the retirement of Merv Hughes and the selection of Peter Siddle, unless I'm forgetting someone, there was only one Vic who was able to retain a consistent place for more than a season in the XI - S.K. Warne.

    Mainly its feeds into the NSW-Vic rivalry and the fact that NSW players seem to have the rub of the green sometimes with selection decisions (the whole baggy green comes with baggy blue thing). SA cricket fans (eg Top Cat) would have similar gripes about their players like Blewett, Lehmann (esp), Siddons.
    The theory is debunked by Siddle himself though, really - the selectors certainly didn't have to pick him when they did as he had barely any First Class experience and had been outbowled in the Shield by other candidates even when he was there (not to say he did poorly or anything, but still). If Bollinger was Victorian and Siddle was a New South Welshman, Siddle's original selection would no doubt be used as an example of anti-Victorian bias.. not to mention White's consistent inclusion as a bowler in India as well.

    There's no doubt that there have been a few unlucky Victorians in recent times - a few more than from the other states, even - but I don't think it's anything more than coincidence. If the selectors truly were biased there's no way Siddle would've been picked when he was, IMO.
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    Matthew Inness missing out to Nathan Bracken was super stiff, IMO.

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    Rogers Hodge Hussey White McDonald Siddle Nannes McKay McGain Holland have all been picked in Australian squads in the last few years.

    The bias has long gone IMO, especially with Hughes selecting.

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    I did say it was largely tongue in cheek and a product of a broader NSW-Vic rivalry, didn't I?

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    Rogers was playing for WA at the time, FTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Rogers was playing for WA at the time, FTR.
    Yeah, killed his career by moving across the Nullabor to the wrong state - unlike Katich who saved his by moving to Sydney

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    Yeah so he was. QLD the hard done by state IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Yeah so he was. QLD the hard done by state IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Nice. Ben Laughlin was pretty lucky too I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Matthew Inness missing out to Nathan Bracken was super stiff, IMO.
    I presume you are refering to test cricket & Bracken's selection vs IND 03/04?. If so would have to disagree slightly. Bracken's bowling performace in the TVS Cup in IND (with no McGrath, Dizzy, Lee available) before that test series on the back of two really impressive years in ODI set-up. Really demanded selection TBF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Nah, its largely tongue in cheek, although enough Victorians seem to have undue difficulty being selected to give it some legs - there's plenty of smoke: off the top of my head in recent times Matty Elliott, Brad Hodge, David Hussey, Chris Rogers. Some examples are more egregious than others (Hodge is the stand out, and Rogers is currently very unlucky). And between the retirement of Merv Hughes and the selection of Peter Siddle, unless I'm forgetting someone, there was only one Vic who was able to retain a consistent place for more than a season in the XI - S.K. Warne.

    Mainly its feeds into the NSW-Vic rivalry and the fact that NSW players seem to have the rub of the green sometimes with selection decisions (the whole baggy green comes with baggy blue thing). SA cricket fans (eg Top Cat) would have similar gripes about their players like Blewett, Lehmann (esp), Siddons.
    No idea how much I adore that you're lumping Siddons in with SA. Especially since he was a Vic when he actually played his 1 ODI.

    All I'll say is this; for so many years, when presented with two players of apparently equal case for selection, it was amazing how often the blue bagger would get the nod. Mark Taylor vs Tom Moody Ashes 1989, Slater vs Hayden Ashes 1993, Bracken/Inness-gate, Bevvo vs Lehmann, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Matthew Inness missing out to Nathan Bracken was super stiff, IMO.
    My outrage from the time is recorded on these forums. Utterly sucked that he wasn't even tried, especially considering his Aus A record at the time.

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