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Thread: Ponting Vs Fleming Captaincy

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    Ponting Vs Fleming Captaincy

    Who is the better Captain? Forget about Individual batting capabilities, Just discuss on who fares better.
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    Ponting.

    Fleming led an average side to average results. Ponting led a very good side to remarkable, sometimes unbelievable results.

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    Stephen Fleming for mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Ponting.

    Fleming led an average side to average results. Ponting led a very good side to remarkable, sometimes unbelievable results.
    Fleming was able to bring best from Each player and thats what the Captaincy job is all about. I do not think Ponting has got too many headaches captaining his side than Fleming. You can sense that, given a average side to Ponting like his team played 3rd test against India, he could not master his troops very well. Fleming on the other hand has got very poor side when on comparison but the team always performed better than the expectations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raghav View Post
    Fleming was able to bring best from Each player and thats what the Captaincy job is all about. I do not think Ponting has got too many headaches captaining his side than Fleming. You can sense that, given a average side to Ponting like his team played 3rd test against India, he could not master his troops very well. Fleming on the other hand has got very poor side when on comparison but the team always performed better than the expectations.
    And Ponting hasn't been able to bring the best out in every player? It's one thing being a good bunch of players, it's another to get them all playing well and playing well together. Ponting does this wonderfully. Take a look at India for example. For years they've had outstanding teams on paper but haven't been able to always get it together.

    Ponting has essentially had an 'average' side (If you'd call it that...) for the last 5 Tests and has won 4 of them...so don't see your point there.

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    Fleming by a mile.

    Ponting is certainly not a bad captain, but he still has some way to go before he could be considered above just adequate. He is far too rigid tactically, and he doesn't show much in the way of creativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Ponting has essentially had an 'average' side (If you'd call it that...) for the last 5 Tests and has won 4 of them...so don't see your point there.
    That is an insane statement to make. An 'average side'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    That is an insane statement to make. An 'average side'?
    I was just using Rahgav's assesment. If he believes we had an average side against the Indians in this Test, we've had an average side for the other 4 Tests we've played this summer.

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    Fleming leads so far. 6 votes to 2

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    Ricky Ponting is a far better captain now than I gave him credit for a few years ago, but I think it's difficult to judge just how good because he seldom has to pull cats out of the bag.

    His diplomacy could do with a bit of work, but the hysterical reaction from some after the Sydney test was perhaps somewhat OTT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie View Post
    Ricky Ponting is a far better captain now than I gave him credit for a few years ago, but I think it's difficult to judge just how good because he seldom has to pull cats out of the bag.

    His diplomacy could do with a bit of work, but the hysterical reaction from some after the Sydney test was perhaps somewhat OTT.

    Yeah, totally agree. He's tactics have definitely improved since Ashes '05, Having Lee bowl well has also helped his captaincy, I fear if he wasn't bowling well Ponting would just about lose the plot. Ponting will be on hands and knees praying that Hayden is available for the next test.
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    Fleming, by a long way.

    Look at the class of players Ponting has had available to him during his captaincy. Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Gilchrist, McGrath, Gillespie, himself. Who was Fleming had in the same class? Bond for a few games. Yet New Zealand always seemed to be one of the stronger ODI sides going around during Fleming's captaincy. I don't think it is any coincidence that we have fallen so far after he was stripped of the leadership.
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    No way to decide this. The difference in the sides makes any comparison impossible.

    Stephen Fleming looks more like a captain though.

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    Fleming's captaincy has rapidly become one of the great sacred cows. He was a very good captain no doubt, but not immeasurably better than Ponting is now he's worked his way into the job.
    Much of the Fleming mystique harks back to the wondrous (and for NZ it was) drawn series here several years back, especially in Perth when NZ pressed hard for a win on day 5. What a lot of people forget though is that the first two tests, Brisbane in particular, were beset by rain when Australia was looking very much like winning.
    He was a good captain, but I'd put him not really better than Ponting.
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    So far according to CW Fleming > Ponting.
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