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[Cloete]

yeah good point m8. but law has had his chances. I agree with u on the rest however.

 

[Eclipse]

Well I've been talking to Andre and he can't understand why he's been called up, as there are many other players who have done much better for much longer than he has. Andre also can't understand why you talk about his bowling all the time Age, he says he's seen it and you can find better pies in the local butchers...

And do you really think I give a **** what Andre thinks?
His opinion is as valid as the rest of us and it seem's the majority of Australians think Clarks call up is warented.

 

[Eclipse]

Bevan: Averages over 50 every season for NSW and has a career average of 56, and yet he is branded a OD specialist.

Law: FC Average of 49, enough said

Maher: Part of the ODI side, a logical choice to give him a go in the Test side.

Elliot: Averages 48 and has shown that he's not just an opener by scoring a brilliant century for Yorkshire in the middle order.

Katich: Given one Test chance and averages 48, really should be given more as he looks a really fine talent.

Hussey: 2 unbeaten 320s in County Cricket, ok the attacks were probably weak but that's still an amazing feat. Averages about 50.

Now only Maher has a career average lower than Clarke's FC Average this year...47. Suddenly it looks much more like excitement over a young player...

Look it's all about being in form at the right time and none of those players are or have been in good form this year.

Clark has been in good form at the right time and thats what counts in selectors minds.

As I have said I think once you see him bat and make some runs you will be left in no question of his talent and why he is being rushed in to the side.

 

[age_master]

Bevan: Averages over 50 every season for NSW and has a career average of 56, and yet he is branded a OD specialist.

Law: FC Average of 49, enough said

Maher: Part of the ODI side, a logical choice to give him a go in the Test side.

Elliot: Averages 48 and has shown that he's not just an opener by scoring a brilliant century for Yorkshire in the middle order.

Katich: Given one Test chance and averages 48, really should be given more as he looks a really fine talent.

Hussey: 2 unbeaten 320s in County Cricket, ok the attacks were probably weak but that's still an amazing feat. Averages about 50.

Now only Maher has a career average lower than Clarke's FC Average this year...47. Suddenly it looks much more like excitement over a young player...

LAW is struggling to make the QLD 1st XI, who cares what his history is

2nd point - nobody cares about county cricket - Players averages mean nothing - Lehmann averages 80+ in county cricket and about 55 in australia

Mcgrath averages 12 - with the ball in england, 22 or something in aussie domestic cricket, - hell in england he got a 50:o:o:o

yes unbeaten triple tons are good, but he has never done the same in australia

Bevan has had a go at test level and failed, most people know this, he averaged just 29 with the bat - nearly 30 below his first class average


This seasons stats show at first class level

Clarke: 763 runs @47 - SR 62

Elliot: 531 runs @ 44 - SR 40

Katich: 619 runs @ 36 - SR 45 - no hundreds

Bevan: 456 runs @ 76 - SR 45

Hussey: 348 runs @ 35 - SR 46 - No hundreds

Maher: 137 runs @ 22 - SR 56 - NO hundreds

Law: 169 runs @ 14 - SR 53

Noffke(batting): 166 runs @ 18 - SR 40


no, i think rik is right stuart law should get is on form alone, that average for the year is a killer @ 14 i mean he only got edged out by the Bradman like batting of Noffke

 

[Eclipse]

Exactly age apart from Beven you seriously canot make a case for any of those players on current form.


Rik I understand were you are comming from I do but tell me who you think should be going instead of Clark and then give us some reasons and I dont mean just looking at a players carear avrages.

 

[marc71178]

And do you really think I give a **** what Andre thinks?
His opinion is as valid as the rest of us and it seem's the majority of Australians think Clarks call up is warented.

Well for one Andre doesn't resort to obscenities when questioned, and to me has always seemed to be even-handed and level-headed when discussing cricket.

 

[marc71178]

2nd point - nobody cares about county cricket - Players averages mean nothing - Lehmann averages 80+ in county cricket and about 55 in australia

No, he had one season he averaged 80, overall it's just over 60.

Mcgrath averages 12 - with the ball in england, 22 or something in aussie domestic cricket, - hell in england he got a 50:o:o:o

So did Tufnell. :P

 

[Eclipse]

That does not make his opinion more valid than the next Australian.

And I dont really care wether you discuse cricket with a level head or not because that will not ultimatly effect somones personal opinion.

 

[marc71178]

Bevan: Averages over 50 every season for NSW and has a career average of 56, and yet he is branded a OD specialist.

Law: FC Average of 49, enough said

Maher: Part of the ODI side, a logical choice to give him a go in the Test side.

Elliot: Averages 48 and has shown that he's not just an opener by scoring a brilliant century for Yorkshire in the middle order.

Katich: Given one Test chance and averages 48, really should be given more as he looks a really fine talent.

Hussey: 2 unbeaten 320s in County Cricket, ok the attacks were probably weak but that's still an amazing feat. Averages about 50.

Now only Maher has a career average lower than Clarke's FC Average this year...47. Suddenly it looks much more like excitement over a young player...

What about Blewett? He out-batted Clarke last year, and is also a useful 4th seamer option?

 

[Eclipse]

So did Tufnell. :P

lol that just proves the point.

 

[marc71178]

Clarke's last 4 innnings:

0, 120, 0, 11

Now that's not what I would call a good end to the season!


And stop going onto the One Day game, this is the Test side we're talking about.

 

[Eclipse]

What about Blewett? He out-batted Clarke last year, and is also a useful 4th seamer option?

Just like England dont bring back Hick we are not going to bring back Blewett.

He is one player who has had alot of opertunitys to do well in test cricket and faild.
I see know point in bring back a player who will only serve us another 2-3 years when somone like Clark shoud have a good 15 years ahead of him.

Besides again he needed to do more this year it's all about being in form at the right time.

 

[Eclipse]

Clarke's last 4 innnings:

0, 120, 0, 11

Now that's not what I would call a good end to the season!

It's not really all that bad ether.

besides you should have seen the 120 it came off about 100 balls and it was against some of the best bowlers in Australia.

 

[marc71178]

It's not really all that bad ether.

besides you should have seen the 120 it came off about 100 balls and it was against some of the best bowlers in Australia.

So great that I've never heard of half of them?

Who on earth are Hopes, Anderson and Simpson?

I mean they're obviously so much better than any English player because they're Australian, but who are they?

Oh I see, Anderson career average 37.62, Simpson never taken a FC wicket and only played one game, Hopes average 53.45.

Now if they're some of the best bowlers in Australia, then there's serious problems...

 

[Eclipse]

So great that I've never heard of half of them?

Who on earth are Hopes, Anderson and Simpson?

I mean they're obviously so much better than any English player because they're Australian, but who are they?

Oh I see, Anderson career average 37.62, Simpson never taken a FC wicket and only played one game, Hopes average 53.45.

Now if they're some of the best bowlers in Australia, then there's serious problems...

Sorry I did not realise Quensland had so many of there bowlers out.

Sill Kaspa, Nofkie, Dale are Dawes three very good fast bowlers.

 

[marc71178]

Sorry I did not realise Quensland had so many of there bowlers out.

Sill Kaspa, Nofkie, Dale are Dawes three very good fast bowlers.

But sine half of those didn't play it suddenly weakens their attack immensely

 

[Rik]

Exactly age apart from Beven you seriously canot make a case for any of those players on current form.


Rik I understand were you are comming from I do but tell me who you think should be going instead of Clark and then give us some reasons and I dont mean just looking at a players carear avrages.

I just gave you 6-7 names, why not use them?

I'm not just going on average, I'm going on what I've seen and they have consistantly prooven that they are class players year after year.

 

[Rik]

And do you really think I give a **** what Andre thinks?
His opinion is as valid as the rest of us and it seem's the majority of Australians think Clarks call up is warented.

I certianly would, not only is he vice webmaster on this site, but he has allways given fair views that don't allways go on the basis that a player is Australian therefor he is better than anyone else in every way.

 

[Rik]

That does not make his opinion more valid than the next Australian.

And I dont really care wether you discuse cricket with a level head or not because that will not ultimatly effect somones personal opinion.

It does make his opinion more valid because he gives a varied view, never clouded by the green and gold...

 

[Rik]

lol that just proves the point.

Yes, Marc's point which is the fact that if McGrath can score a 50, and Tufnell can, and Mullally can score 2 then it's because everyone has their day, it's the law of averages...