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    Best bottom four batsmen?

    Given the remarkable strength of the Australian lower order at the moment, I thought this was an interesting topic.

    A lot of teams have good batsmen at 8 and 9, but in test cricket the bottom two tend to be a big drop off from that. I remember some lower orders in ODIs where almost everyone could be classed as an all-rounder, from New Zealand and South Africa in particular, but I can't recall a bottom 4 in test cricket better than this one.

    Hogg at 8 averages 35 in FC cricket with a few centuries, and wouldn't be far off bowling all-rounder status. Lee at 9 averages over 20 in tests over an extended period and has been batting better in the last few years as well. Johnson's only had a short FC career but averages 26 with a few half-centuries, and has shown some skill with the bat at international level as well, and while Clark's FC record isn't anything special he looks a significant cut above your usual number 11 - more like a 9 or 10 in most sides.

    Any better ones out there? Either in terms of skill or statistical record? Australia's tail a few years ago with Warne, Lee and Gillespie wasn't bad by comparison either, but I think Hogg and Clark are big improvements in their respective positions.
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    Australias the strongest definately

    #2 is a tight one... Saffer is ok.. (Polly needs to play tho) India are ok (the two spinners can bat)

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    Vettori
    Franklin
    Mills
    Bond

    Vettori and Franklin both have Test centuries (Vettori too), while Frankling also has a FC double. Mills and Bond with FC centuries too.
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    I don't know if it counts, but in the old days when they had sticky wickets, they sometimes reversed the order
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    NZ's bottom four in tests is ruined by Martin. If we were to have all players fit and a sane selection committee we could see a bottom four of Franklin, Vettori, Mills and Bond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Vettori
    Franklin
    Mills
    Bond

    Unfortunately we've never had this bowling attack in a test. A man can dream though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Vettori
    Franklin
    Mills
    Bond

    Vettori and Franklin both have Test centuries (Vettori too), while Frankling also has a FC double. Mills and Bond with FC centuries too.
    AWTA. What I was going to say. Aussie and SA have pretty good ones but ours is superior IMO.
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    BM McMillan
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    Here the match

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    BM McMillan
    SM Pollock
    L Klusener
    PL Symcox

    Here the match
    Wow, that looks like a winner to me. Kluesener at 10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Wow, that looks like a winner to me. Kluesener at 10?
    Dave Richardson went in at night-watchman, but even with him at 8-10 that still pretty hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurrz View Post
    Australias the strongest definately

    #2 is a tight one... Saffer is ok.. (Polly needs to play tho) India are ok (the two spinners can bat)
    I agree to that
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    How good of a batsman was Dave Richardson? Richardson was sort of before my time as Boucher came in and shot to fame as Richardson came out. That and we didn't have cable TV either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    BM McMillan
    SM Pollock
    L Klusener
    PL Symcox

    Here the match
    That takes the cake for me. Could be another country's middle order! Symcox has a test average of 28.50, and we all know what Klusener can do.

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