Has Ross Taylor acquired two new names?

[Fiery]

Harris did have quite a few inning where he wasn't dismissed, in both forms, and that has contributed to his high average. Still a fantastic batsman, and a real shame he was never given more chances to be a Test batsman.

He was given plenty of chances but never took them tbh. His bowling wasn't suited to tests either

 

[Perm]

He had his chances and never took them tbh. His bowling wasn't suited to tests either

I said it was a shame he was never given more chances to be a Test batsman, I couldn't care less about his bowling, which was largely ineffective in the longer form of the game.

I didn't realise he'd played 20 Tests, I thought that figure was considerably lower. Certainly didn't help his cause that in 42 innings he batted everywhere from 4-10, and no player can deal with that kind of confusion about his role in the side.

 

[Halfpast_Yellow]

Had no idea Harris' List-A OD record was that good TBH - knew about his First-Class record, it's almost famous given how few Tests he's played as a spcialist bat. But with all those ODIs it's a bit odd he never batted above the Cairnses, Parores et al.

He did, batted at #3 5 times in his ODI career. Didn't work, he was dismissed LBW each time for low scores, including 2 ducks.

He also had one crack at #4 and failed there.

He had a decent stretch of 16 innings at #5 and did better, averaging 27.33, 1.66 runs below his career average. With a top score of 130 vs Australia in a WC quarterfinal.

 

[Fiery]

I said it was a shame he was never given more chances to be a Test batsman, I couldn't care less about his bowling, which was largely ineffective in the longer form of the game.

I didn't realise he'd played 20 Tests, I thought that figure was considerably lower. Certainly didn't help his cause that in 42 innings he batted everywhere from 4-10, and no player can deal with that kind of confusion about his role in the side.

Yes, way to miss my point, (didn't you read the "either" on the last sentence?). I was talking about his batting in the first sentence. He proved he was poor against the short ball at times and was dropped and recalled numerous times and never took his chances with the bat

 

[Perm]

Yes, way to miss my point, (didn't you read the "either" on the last sentence?). I was talking about his batting in the first sentence. He proved he was poor against the short ball at times and was dropped and recalled numerous times and never took his chances with the bat

I missed that. Still, my point stands. His bowling doesn't matter when you are evaluating him as a batsman. Being dropped and recalled numerous times doesn't help a player in any way. If they are poor, then they deserve to be dropped, but at times Harris was very poorly handled.

 

[Fiery]

I missed that. Still, my point stands. His bowling doesn't matter when you are evaluating him as a batsman. Being dropped and recalled numerous times doesn't help a player in any way. If they are poor, then they deserve to be dropped, but at times Harris was very poorly handled.

You have to take chances when they come to you as a player. If he had scored a ton or played any innings of note at any stage when he was recalled then he would have been given an extended run, but he didn't so wasn't. It was a shame

 

[Fiery]

Still, my point stands. His bowling doesn't matter when you are evaluating him as a batsman.

We are evaluating him as a test player so obviously his bowling did matter. If he was a better test bowler he would have increased his chances of being picked. You really don't know much about the game, do you?

 

[Perm]

You have to take chances when they come to you as a player. If he had scored a ton or any innings of note at any stage when he was recalled then he would have been given an extended run, but he didn't so wasn't. It was a shame

How can you expect a batsman to score centuries from #9 or #10? It's nigh on impossible. Harris only had one decent chance in the middle order, and showed definite promise. At all other stages he was being forced to bat at #6 or lower, positions that are quite clearly not suited to him. His last 9 domestic seasons have seen him average over 40 in all bar one of them (he only played 2 games in the season he didn't) and in five of them he averaged over 50. He had a very strong claim for Test selection but was constantly ignored.

 

[Perm]

We are evaluating him as a test player so obviously his bowling did matter. If he was a better test bowler he would have increased his chances of being picked. You really don't know much about the game, do you?

Harris did have quite a few inning where he wasn't dismissed, in both forms, and that has contributed to his high average. Still a fantastic batsman, and a real shame he was never given more chances to be a Test batsman.

I was evaluating Chris Harris as a Test batsman, which has absolutely nothing to do with his bowling. Obviously if he was a better bowler he would have been selected more often, but being a better bowler would not have made him a better batsman.

Also, if you can't keep the discussion going without having to resort to insults, then I suggest you stop posting. That's all I'm going to say about that.

 

[Fiery]

How can you expect a batsman to score centuries from #9 or #10, it's nigh on impossible. Harris only had one decent chance in the middle order, and showed definite promise. At all other stages he was being forced to bat at #6 or lower, positions that are quite clearly not suited to him. His last 9 domestic seasons have seen him average over 40 in all bar one of them (he only played 2 games in the season he didn't) and in five of them he averaged over 50. He had a very strong claim for Test selection but was constantly ignored.

Eh? He batted in the top 6 in more than half of his test innings. Why don't you do some research before arguing with me about it. You weren't even old enough to follow his career and watch it at the time

 

[Fiery]

Also, if you can't keep the discussion going without having to resort to insults, then I suggest you stop posting. That's all I'm going to say about that.

I'm not going to stop posting so that leaves you. If you want to continue getting in arguments involving cricket you will invariably lose. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing

 

[Perm]

Eh? He batted in the top 6 in more than half of his test innings. Why don't you do some research before arguing with me about it. You weren't even old enough to follow his career and watch it at the time

I've just been looking at his cricinfo and CricketArchive page for the last half-hour or so, please don't accuse me of not researching properly. That's true, I wasn't old enough to see Harris bat in Test cricket. Does that matter? Not at all.

He did bat in the top 6 in 23 out of his 42 Test innings, that is corrrect. He was never given a decent run in the top order though, and that's a shame when you consider that most of his notable innings just prior to Test debut were made batting at #5. 94* and 60 vs Otago[/URL] and 60 against and England XI being two such examples.

 

[Fiery]

I've just been looking at his cricinfo and CricketArchive page for the last half-hour or so, please don't accuse me of not researching properly. That's true, I wasn't old enough to see Harris bat in Test cricket. Does that matter? Not at all.

He did bat in the top 6 in 23 out of his 42 Test innings, that is corrrect. He was never given a decent run in the top order though, and that's a shame when you consider that most of his notable innings just prior to Test debut were made batting at #5. 94* and 60 vs Otago[/URL] and 60 against and England XI being two such examples.

Don't want to continue the argument. In no way is this a concession that you are right. I just don't enjoy debating with you.

 

[Perm]

Who else currently averages over 40 in New Zealand domestic cricket? Who else has ever done over more than a handful of games? Not many I'd guess.

Martin Crowe averages 41.33 and Bruce Edgar averages 50.52. Aside from the names already mentioned, I think that's all.

 

[Richard]

He did, batted at #3 5 times in his ODI career. Didn't work, he was dismissed LBW each time for low scores, including 2 ducks.

He also had one crack at #4 and failed there.

WoW, a whole 6 innings. You'd think that given some of the other players who were tried there someone who could average 40 in domestic cricket might just get a few more than 6 innings in the top-four.

 

[Richard]

If you want to continue getting in arguing involving cricket you will invariably lose. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Eh? He batted in the top 6 in more than half of his test innings. Why don't you do some research before arguing with me about it. You weren't even old enough to follow his career and watch it at the time

A bit deceptive, considering that of that he only batted in the top 4 six times. Basically he batted at 6 a lot. And that's not the finest judge of a specialist batsman, which is what Chris Harris should have been considered as in Test cricket.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'm not going to stop posting so that leaves you. If you want to continue getting in arguing involving cricket you will invariably lose. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing

You really just proved Perm's point there. Now simmer down both of you.

 

[Perm]

You really just proved Perm's point there. Now simmer down both of you.

Without wanting to single you out can you tell me what have I done 'wrong' in this instance? Am I not allowed to argue with Fiery at all, even if it's sensible discussion?

 

[Fiery]

Without wanting to single you out can you tell me what have I done 'wrong' in this instance? Am I not allowed to argue with Fiery at all, even if it's sensible discussion?

He was directing the displicine (shall we say) at me really. Yes, I wont mind discussing cricket with you but it seems that you never agree with me and just want to disagree on everything I post just for the sake of it because of the ongoing petty feud we seem to have got ourselves into and are unwilling to listen and perhaps learn from my wealth of experience and knowledge following the game ...only half-joking there btw

Anyway, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Perm and hope things can improve in the new year