Ponting is better than Lara - Page 3

Craig · 25-12-2007, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

He might think you're lying though. Then he could disagree.

Then he doesn't know Richard.

Now Prince since you've admitted in the past that your ancestors are Alec & Charles Bannerman, that wouldn't affect your line of thinking, especially to one of the greatest stonewallers ever, Alec Bannerman?

Richard · 25-12-2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

No2 clearly means something different in the Dickinson household to the rest of Britain...

Nah, shaking one's head with a smile on the face quite clearly means "uh-uh!"; "nope"; "noooooo", etc. Can't believe anyone would interpret it differently.

Prince EWS · 25-12-2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Then he doesn't know Richard.

Now Prince since you've admitted in the past that your ancestors are Alec & Charles Bannerman, that wouldn't affect your line of thinking, especially to one of the greatest stonewallers ever, Alec Bannerman?

My opinion on such matters isn't based on Alec, but I guess it could be genetic.

Craig · 25-12-2007, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

My opinion on such matters isn't based on Alec, but I guess it could be genetic.

Yeah sure

Fiery · 25-12-2007, 05:44 AM

Tell us what this one means Richard?

Richard · 25-12-2007, 05:48 AM

The meaning of the Rolleyes is well-documented: it says "what a stupid comment" and hence should be used with great caution.

Fiery · 25-12-2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

The meaning of the Rolleyes is well-documented: it says "what a stupid comment" and hence should be used with great caution.

I see

Migara · 25-12-2007, 06:06 AM

Ponting probaly did not get the best of Donald, Ambrose and Walsh, Wasim and Waqar, all at their ridiculous best around 1992-1995.

But I would not complain watching either.

BoyBrumby · 25-12-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Nah, shaking one's head with a smile on the face quite clearly means "uh-uh!"; "nope"; "noooooo", etc. Can't believe anyone would interpret it differently.

WTF are you on about? No2 means poo.

Johnners · 25-12-2007, 06:48 AM

Anywaaaaaaay, back on topic. Must say that I agree with SST here (yeah, obvsiouly some bias, but he does make a very good point). If Ponting isn't better than BCL now, he is at least his equal, and will imo end up being his superior.

Richard · 25-12-2007, 07:14 AM

The trouble with Lara, something that makes him so difficult to rate, as I mentioned above, is that he had such large ups and downs. At the start of his career he was sensational. However, he then had a lengthy spell where, had what came before not come before, he'd not have been considered anything other than a decent Test batsman.

Then, like any batsman you'd hope for worth his salt, he cashed-in big-time on the flat pitches and generally weak attacks. Interesting to compare his average for this time (61.53) to Ponting's (71.20). Beyond doubt, Ponting has bashed the weak attacks better.

However, the simple truth of the matter is that Ponting's overall average for his pre-Headingley-2001 career (and fortunately enough it coincides almost exactly with the start of Lara's more average period) is near enough the same as Lara's when he was very much below the level he had started-off at. Now you can say that Ponting's record down the order was better, and that his average is dragged down by batting at three earlier than he should have - that's true enough, but even excluding the innings at three he still averages just 45.29 before the flattening&weakening.

What's perhaps most interesting is what would have happened had the weakening&flattening not happened. I'm in little doubt as to what'd have happened with Ponting - he'd have averaged, I reckon, about 50-55 for the period, as he obviously got better as a batsman. But not better enough to average 70. What would have happened with Lara? That's simply impossible to know. He could easily have gone on performing middlingly, or he could have regained his former glories, well some of them perhaps.

As I've said - Lara is one who, unlike Tendulkar, is so difficult to rate. A bit like Botham in that way.

Jono · 25-12-2007, 07:27 AM

Why yes I agree, Ponting is a better ODI batsman than Lara.

roseboy64 · 25-12-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Nah, not a chance. Give me Dravid to watch over Gilchrist 100 times out of 100.

You're strange.

Ikki · 25-12-2007, 10:36 AM

At the moment I'd rate Ponting, overall, a hair's width under Lara and Tendulkar but I expect him to take over the mantle by the end of his career. He looks too good.

social · 25-12-2007, 11:00 AM

Lot's of evidence to suggest that Ponting is the second best batsman in history

BIG WEAKNESS - record in India however the series in Oz in '03 was played on India-like wickets and he slaughtered them

Otherwise, hammers everyone, virtually every time, virtually everywhere with an unorthodox technique

Indisputably a great player but rank him where you will

25-12-2007, 10:36 AM	#44 (permalink)
Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,043	At the moment I'd rate Ponting, overall, a hair's width under Lara and Tendulkar but I expect him to take over the mantle by the end of his career. He looks too good. __________________ I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh [Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran [Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever. And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	The trouble with Lara, something that makes him so difficult to rate, as I mentioned above, is that he had such large ups and downs. At the start of his career he was sensational. However, he then had a lengthy spell where, had what came before not come before, he'd not have been considered anything other than a decent Test batsman. Then, like any batsman you'd hope for worth his salt, he cashed-in big-time on the flat pitches and generally weak attacks. Interesting to compare his average for this time (61.53) to Ponting's (71.20). Beyond doubt, Ponting has bashed the weak attacks better. However, the simple truth of the matter is that Ponting's overall average for his pre-Headingley-2001 career (and fortunately enough it coincides almost exactly with the start of Lara's more average period) is near enough the same as Lara's when he was very much below the level he had started-off at. Now you can say that Ponting's record down the order was better, and that his average is dragged down by batting at three earlier than he should have - that's true enough, but even excluding the innings at three he still averages just 45.29 before the flattening&weakening. What's perhaps most interesting is what would have happened had the weakening&flattening not happened. I'm in little doubt as to what'd have happened with Ponting - he'd have averaged, I reckon, about 50-55 for the period, as he obviously got better as a batsman. But not better enough to average 70. What would have happened with Lara? That's simply impossible to know. He could easily have gone on performing middlingly, or he could have regained his former glories, well some of them perhaps. As I've said - Lara is one who, unlike Tendulkar, is so difficult to rate. A bit like Botham in that way.

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social International Coach Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 11,065	Lot's of evidence to suggest that Ponting is the second best batsman in history BIG WEAKNESS - record in India however the series in Oz in '03 was played on India-like wickets and he slaughtered them Otherwise, hammers everyone, virtually every time, virtually everywhere with an unorthodox technique Indisputably a great player but rank him where you will

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