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NZ future players

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
come on guys this has nothing to do with NZ future players, take it to the off topic section.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Well it keeps getting better for NZ at the moment.

Grant Robinson of Northern Districts scored 125* & then just now Jesse Ryder scored 114* for Central.

So thats 3 former U19 players who have scored hundreds in the last 2 days..excellent to see.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I wonder if Craig Cumming will be in the selectors frame aswell, he's been awesome for Otago since he started opening for them

3 hundreds & 3 fifties since & currently he's 100* against Wellington.
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
I have been told that Tim McIntosh is a Medium Slow net bowler. I was also told that he is not good enough to bowl at senior club level. Don't know if it is true or not though. Hasn't come from the most reliable source.

I see in 33 matches for Auckland he has bowled 4 overs.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Its hard to say who will be picked for the Sri Lankan tour because I see Richard Jones from Wellington is leading in the most runs category.

18 innings, 667 runs at an average of 47.64, 2 hundreds 3 fifties

Richard Jones must have the inside running because he was picked in NZ's 30 man squad for the World Cup & so was James Marshall although I think he must be out of the running now because he has only averaged 25 this season.
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
Craig Cumming is a great player and he is usually consistant. I think he will be in the minds of the Selectors as it is that opening batting position that is the problem (in both tests and ODI's).

I now think that Fleming is best opening the innings though (I was against it before the world cup). I think Astle should stay at 3 but if he doesn't it could be a number 3 or 4 that we are looking for.

As for Jesse's century. I could see that it was comeing very soon. He is a very good player.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
If you look at 3 semi-finalists (dis-regarding Kenya) you'll see all 3 of them have a specialist lineup.
7 batsmen (including keeper) & 4 strike bowlers.
NZ's problem is, is that they select 1 strike bowler & then 2 medium pace bowlers. If you want to be successful you need to select 3 quick's & then maybe someone like Jacob Oram.
So from my point of view, this is what NZ should try & aim at for ODI's.

Batsman
Batsman
Batsman
Batsman
Batsman
Keeper/Batsman
All-rounder
Bowler
Bowler
Bowler
Bowler

Now obviously you can swap All-Rounder & Keeper depending on who the better batsman is.
The idea is to get this rid of this problem where the players keep thinking that they bat all the way to 11 so if they get out then its no worries, there is someone else to do the job. And then likewise with the bowling, you've got your 3 quickies, your spinner & then your all-rounder who is probably medium pace but accurate so nobody gets the idea that the whole team can bowl so it doesn't matter if they go for runs.

Now Cairns was being used at 5, not anymore with my plan he's not consistent enough to be considered a specialist so he'd be relegated to at least 6 or 7.
Styris the same, he's still to me not a specialist batsman so IMO his future is at 6 or 7 aswell and that leaves ALOT of all-rounders fighting for one position which is good.
That also leaves no room for Chris Harris, he just hasn't put the runs up & his bowling is no longer very effective so I think the selectors should do him a favour. In saying that Harris is always coming in when NZ are either already down the drain at 80/6 or when there are only 20 odd runs required.
If Harris was desperate he should drop his bowling & concentrate on being a #4 batsman because I think that is really his only option now.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Following on from that I think Chris Nevin should be the keeper/batsman at 6 for NZ.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I also see that McIntosh is 88* at tea against Northern so he's doing himself no harm in pushing for a place in the NZ test team.
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
I don't know how many players they are taking to SL, But here are my thoughts on a test and ODI team for there. There is no astle because i heard he wasn't going and cairns is only there for the ODI's

TEST.(14 players)in no order.

Sinclair(no. 3/4)
McIntosh (opener)
Richardson (opener)
Fleming (c) (no.3/4)
Ryder (no. 5/6)
Papps (backup keeper but can play as just batsman) (opener/3/4)
Hart (keeper) (6/7)
Styris (5/6)
Bond (10/11)
Butler (11)
O'Connor (9/10)
Oram (7/8)
Vettori (8/9)
Tuffey/ another spinner/ harris

I think the main problem lies with if we take another spinner, who goes. Walker, Sulzberger, Wiseman, Redmond, Martin??. I would put harris in only if Vettori was the only spinner because His bowling is slow and can tie up one end.
Tuffey goes if another bowler is needed but Mason would push him hard.
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ODI's

Cairns(5)
Fleming(opener)
Papps (opener/3/4)(keeper)
McCullum(backup keeper)
Butler (10/11)
Bond(10/11)
Adams(6/7)
Oram(6/7)
Vettori(8/9)
Styris(4/5)
Ryder (opener)
Hitchcock (7/8)
Jones (3/4)
Mason/another batter
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I think Rob Nicol has a better chance than Ryder pretty much because all the radio commentators believe Nicol is in the frame for test selection & they have not mentioned Ryder.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I think Papps may have also lost his chance, he was in top form earlier in the season but he's gone right off the boil & with players like Cumming (scored 114 today), McIntosh (146* today) & Richard Jones in good form, I can't see him being picked.
 

anzac

International Debutant
IMO any team that goes to the sub-continent with only 1 spinner is asking for trouble - big time!

you also need your seam bowlers to have something extra - pace / bounce to make up for the lack of help from the pitches, and to distinuish themselves from military medium pace that could become cannon fodder. I also think that you do need someone of medium pace who is physically strong to take on extended workloads & who is also accurate - not so much a 'strike' bowler.

So fas as player's ages goes - the Aussies have proven this to be hogwash - Hayden, Langer & Martyn all got their current test careers back on track / lifelines in their late 20's - early 30's. Even Richardson could be called a late bloomer! If the player is the best current option to do the job, especially if it's in a specialist role, then they should be picked until they either become unavailable or some more / better options are found!

I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot will depend on discussions with Sneddon, Fleming & the Selectors as to where NZ cricket goes from here - do they start to rebuild with a view to 2007 now, or do they go into damage control with the squad & talent they have but rework the lineups & tactics?

I would not be surprised if we see Adams, Astle, McMillan & Vincent given a break from SL. Cairns can no longer be considered part of the NZ test squad until further notice because of his recurring injury probs. Although Harris got a break re the WC he had not figured in Test selections since the WI & I would be surprised to see him included in the Test Squad.

my Test squad
Horne
Richardson
Sinclair
Fleming
Styris
McIntosh
Hart
Vettori
Bond
Butler
O'Connor
Tuffey
Oram
and another spinner

Tuffey is a question mark re subbing him for another new batsman.

ODI squad:
depends on form of the above - esp the bowlers, but Hitchcock to be included

:)
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Tim said:
come on guys this has nothing to do with NZ future players, take it to the off topic section.
I was going to but nooooooo you had to moan about it 1st :P
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Tamara said:
I have been told that Tim McIntosh is a Medium Slow net bowler. I was also told that he is not good enough to bowl at senior club level. Don't know if it is true or not though. Hasn't come from the most reliable source.

I see in 33 matches for Auckland he has bowled 4 overs.
I am sure this is the same guy but I think he just worked on his bowling for a bit of fun and ended up opening the bowling and batting :)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Rik said:
I am sure this is the same guy but I think he just worked on his bowling for a bit of fun and ended up opening the bowling and batting :)
I guess that speaks volumes as regards the quality of that league if he can't get a bowl at all in NZ!
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
marc71178 said:
I guess that speaks volumes as regards the quality of that league if he can't get a bowl at all in NZ!
He wasn't a shocking success at bowling, a med-fast/fas-med seamer who picked up some useful wickets opening the bowling sometimes. You could say his slump with the bat speaks volumes about the quality of NZ ;) He came up against a few belters and was so excited he got out early...
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
I don't beleive New Zealand have a spinner who can back Vettori up.

As for Nicol instead of Ryder. I think this is a silly move. Ryder has shown that he has no problems playing first class cricket in his first year. He has certainly done nothing wrong
 
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Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
Here are Ryders Stats .

365 runs @60.83

For when you are only 18 and playing in your first year at Provincial level that is great.
 

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