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The mention of the 1st Ashes test in the Harris/Hauritz/Swann thread made put me in mind of this thread, as one always feels slightly paternal towards those one's started.
Oz came near as dammit to pulling off what looked an unlikely triumph when Punter pulled the plug, but, in retrospect, did he wait too long? North and Haddin had long since made their tons and the lead was 239 when the end came. Whilst acknowledging hindsight is always 2020, perhaps drawing proceedings to a conclusion with a lead of 200 would've been better, with an eye on a quick dart at a smallish chase?
I think there is a tendancy towards conservatism with declarations around just now. On our 2008/09 Windies tour Strauss declared 6 times in 6 innings (!) and we were never once able to force a result. Should captains grasp the game by the scruff of the neck more? Slightly increase the chance of a loss for a greater dart at glory? Thoughts?
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Strauss's declarations on that tour were terrible. Particularly the one at Antigua.
I definitely think Ponting left it a bit too long too, but you can't really blame him for the rain closing in. You'd hope he'd be a bit more positive with a whole innings left, but remember that at the end of England's innings they'd overtaken Australia, so he would have had to go out and bat a bit more then anyway. Very small error, really.
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Different game altogether though, England might not have lost two quick wickets that evening if he hadn't left it a little later.
What swings it for me is that no one was criticising Ponting much at the time. It wasn't with his other decisions where the entire country is like "wtf, batting at Headingley on a cloudy day? bell-end." or "why the ****ing **** is ****ing Hussey bowling to the tail when Watto's reversing the ball into the pads" but Ponting proceeds to make absurdly idiotic decisions that everyone knows are idiotic. People only decided he'd declared too late after England saved the match with a wicket to spare. That makes it a considerably lesser mistake, although still a mistake. When Strauss kept on batting in Antigua the entire match thread was livid.
The direness of the declaration in Antigua was made worse by not enforcing the follow on.
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Forecast isn't great so probably a good one as they shouldn't lose the match and they ended up with 3 wickets before the close.
Adelaide in 2006 was a pretty dire call by Flintoff, even allowing for hindsight being a wonderful thing. Staying put and making 700 would have made us absolutely fireproof, as well as depriving Aus of the chance of batting when the pitch was still an absolute road.
He does have past form in this area, doesn't he? Declared whilst still in arrears versus the Windies & ended up winning at least partly because of it.
Reading some of the posts in the tour thread (which partly inspired my dig) it's fair to say not all agree.
I don't think there was any point in going on to score 600 here, I think that would have guaranteed a draw. And I also don't think we can lose from this point. So, perfect!
Australia will probably bat again. It achieved nothing to declare early as he did. You can easily lose scoring 450 first up in 3/4 day games - see England v Sri Lanka when play was heavily reduced. See that game Australia won against West Indies when declaring from behind. If the team batting second gets anywhere near your total there's pressure on your 2nd innings not to fall in a heap. Which means you can't score as freely as well as risking defeat.
You also make the follow-on a much less likely route to victory, which is typically the quickest route.
So when should Clarke have declared Scaly?
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