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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamuddin View Post
    1. Malcolm Marshall
    2. Curtly AMbrose
    3. Glenn Mcgrath
    4. Wasim Akram
    5. Imran Khan
    6. Dick Hadlee
    7. Steve Harmison
    8. Murali
    9. Waqar Younis
    10. RS Sodhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    Imran had a much better record against the best side of his time than Akram, and is much more balanced against all countries.

    Imran has an overall better record than Akram despite never playing minnows and being a part-time bowler towards the end of his career.

    Imran has a markedly better record in matches won.

    Imran was more likely than Akram to run straight through a batting lineup on his lonesome (he had three 7-fors and two 8-fors, compared to one 7-for for Akram against New Zealand).

    So, like I said, while Akram had more talent, Imran's sheer willpower took his performances to another level.
    Imran had a better home record against the best side, Check out Akram's record in Australia and Imran's record in WI, you will know who performed better in away conditions.

    Imran didn't play against minnows ? So who were Srilanka in the 80s ? Take out his performances against SL and his average goes up to 24 with a strike rate of 55.9, Take Akram's performance against Zim/BD out and Akram's avg. is 24.03 with strike rate of 55.4

    Did Imran play against SA one of the best sides of Akram's era ?

    Imran was more likely to run through batting lineup than Akram - And you make that assumption because of some 7/8fers Imran took? Akram played with guys like Waqar, Shoaib, Saqi etc and rarely had the chance to take 7 wickets in an innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    Imran singlehandedly has won matches in Australia and West Indies, the best players of pace, Akram never did.
    Let's see :-

    Pak won the 4th test in WI in the 1976/77 series - Imran 4 wickets in the test
    Pak won the 1st test in Aus in the 1978-79 series - Imran 4 wickets in the test
    Pak won the the 3rd test in Aus in 1981-82 series - Imran 5 wickets in the test

    So Pakistan won 5 tests in Australia/WI during Imran's era and out of which Pak didn't win 3 of the tests singlehandedly due to Imran's bowling. Please note I am not saying Imran didn't contribute to the win but just mentioning that it was not solely due to his effort as you were trying to portray.

    As for the remianing two wins :- Take a look at the sydney test that one can say that Imran won single handedly and tell me how many batsmen are there who can be regarded as the best players of fast bowling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    If we are going to fly around terms like 'sheer willpower' (sic) then Wasim's amazing tenacity in face of presistent hostility, and unbridled ferocity - coupled together with an hitherto peerless versatility - set him up a step or ten above Imran in the cricketing echelon.
    And not to forget his consistent fight with diabetes between the period of 1995-till retirement and also zillions of ODIs he played throughout the world.


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    1. malcolm marshall
    2. sydney barnes
    3. richard hadlee
    4. muthiah muralitharan
    5. curtly ambrose
    6. dennis lillee
    7. glenn mcgrath
    8. wasim akram
    9. imran khan
    10. shane warne

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    Hmm, difficult.

    I would dislike to put this in terms of a 1 - 10 ranking but as it is required, so be it.

    1. S F Barnes
    2. Malcolm Marshall
    3. Richard Hadlee
    4. Glen McGrath
    5. Dennis Lillee
    6. Muttiah Muralidaran
    7. Wasim Akram
    8. Imran Khan
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Curtly Ambrose

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    My top ten is highly skewed in favour of bombastic fast bowling as it turns out (no surprises I guess)

    1. Malcolm Marshall
    2. Curtley Ambrose
    3. Waqar Younis
    4. Jeff Thomson
    5. Richard Hadlee
    6. Imran Khan
    7. Wayne Daniel
    8. Shane Bond
    9. Wasim Akram
    10. Allan Donald

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    1. Marshall
    2. Hadlee
    3. Khan
    4. Barnes
    5. Ambrose
    6. Lillee
    7. Akram
    8. McGrath
    9. Warne
    10. Murali

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    My top ten is highly skewed in favour of bombastic fast bowling as it turns out (no surprises I guess)

    1. Malcolm Marshall
    2. Curtley Ambrose
    3. Waqar Younis
    4. Jeff Thomson
    5. Richard Hadlee
    6. Imran Khan
    7. Wayne Daniel
    8. Shane Bond
    9. Wasim Akram
    10. Allan Donald

    Honourable mentions to Shane Warne, Peter Such and Ewen Chatfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Peter Such? (you extracting the Michael?)
    Ah come on! He really looked as if he was enjoying it, didn't he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Ah come on! He really looked as if he was enjoying it, didn't he.
    Batted like a girl but he plugged away at the bowlinng crease. A slightly better bowler than Ashley Giles

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    Imran had a much better record against the best side of his time than Akram, and is much more balanced against all countries.

    Imran has an overall better record than Akram despite never playing minnows and being a part-time bowler towards the end of his career.

    Imran has a markedly better record in matches won.

    Imran singlehandedly has won matches in Australia and West Indies, the best players of pace, Akram never did.

    Imran was more likely than Akram to run straight through a batting lineup on his lonesome (he had three 7-fors and two 8-fors, compared to one 7-for for Akram against New Zealand).

    So, like I said, while Akram had more talent, Imran's sheer willpower took his performances to another level.
    Imran also had a much longer & more destructive peak period than Wasim,in fact better than any modern day bowler(Only Barnes & Lohmann have better peak than Imran).Personally,I think no Pakistani bowler comes close to Imran Khan.Wasim makes my alltime XIs & lists because he gets the advantage of being a left armer,otherwise he was nowhere near being as good as Imran Khan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Batted like a girl but he plugged away at the bowlinng crease. A slightly better bowler than Ashley Giles
    Absolutely no way. Such was a defensive operative, even on a turning pitch. Giles could and did actually take big bags of wickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    Imran didn't play against minnows ? So who were Srilanka in the 80s ?
    Sri Lanka were never a substandard side at Test level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Sri Lanka were never a substandard side at Test level.
    Yes they were Richard. They were whipping boys for about 10 years

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