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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Implying there were others who did it slightly better.

    1. McGrath
    2. Marshall
    3. Barnes
    4. Ambrose
    5. Hadlee
    6. Imran
    7. Lillee
    8. Donald
    9. Holding
    10. Trueman
    Swap McGrath and Hadlee around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Implying that Hadlee lacked in that dept?
    In comparison to Marshall, yeah - and not by that much - which is really no great shame.

    He probably did it better than anyone else apart from Marshall, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Implying there were others who did it slightly better.

    1. McGrath
    2. Marshall
    3. Barnes
    4. Ambrose
    5. Hadlee
    6. Imran
    7. Lillee
    8. Donald
    9. Holding
    10. Trueman
    Michael Holding in a top-ten, ITSTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    In comparison to Marshall, yeah - and not by that much - which is really no great shame.

    He probably did it better than anyone else apart from Marshall, though.
    Fair enough. How much of Hadlee's bowling and career did you actually watch?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Swap McGrath and Hadlee around
    Nah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Michael Holding in a top-ten, ITSTL.
    A couple people could have made it TBH. Not sold on anyone post #7.

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    Not sold on anyone post #3 myself TBH. Holding in a top-ten isn't outrageous at all IMO, but I doubt many would put him there due to the fact he was perceived to be "one-dimensional", ignoring of course that this (supposed) one dimension was awesomely effective for most of his career, far more effective than much more varied bowlers, both real and imagined, were able to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Where's Warney on your list mate?
    11.Waqar Younis
    12.Shane Warne
    13.Joel Garner
    14.Dennis Lillee
    15.Fred Trueman
    16.Michael Holding
    17.Ray Lindwall
    18.Fazal Mahmood
    19.Alan Davidson
    20.Neil Statham
    21.Andy Roberts
    22.Alec Bedser
    23.Shoaib Akhtar
    24.Anil Kumble
    25.Colin Croft
    26.George Lohmann
    27.Bob Willis
    28.Kapil Dev
    29.Wes Hall
    30.B.S.Bedi

    Apologies if I've left any greats.
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    Holding is my favourite fast bowler to watch, especially from side on at the ground. Amazingly smooth action gathering speed in his run up and almost perfect action in delivering the ball at incredible pace. He never played in Pakistan (or indeed against Pakistan at all) which some would count against him, he played only one series on the Sub-Continent taking 30 wickets in 6 Tests against India.

    Like most people I have a top 3 then it's almost any 7 from about 25.

    Lillee
    Marshall
    Trueman
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    Hadlee
    Warne
    McGrath
    Murali
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Barnes

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    Quote Originally Posted by BhupinderSingh View Post
    11.Waqar Younis
    12.Shane Warne
    13.Joel Garner
    14.Dennis Lillee
    15.Fred Trueman
    16.Ray Lindwall
    17.Alec Bedser
    18.Fazal Mahmood
    19.Alan Davidson
    20.Neil Statham
    21.Andy Roberts
    22.Bob Willis
    23.Shoaib Akhtar
    24.Anil Kumble
    25.Colin Croft
    Fair enough. A good list. Mine would be a slightly different but (Learnt a bit about Fazal Mahmood just now...cheers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Holding is my favourite fast bowler to watch, especially from side on at the ground. Amazingly smooth action gathering speed in his run up and almost perfect action in delivering the ball at incredible pace. He never played in Pakistan (or indeed against Pakistan at all) which some would count against him, he played only one series on the Sub-Continent taking 30 wickets in 6 Tests against India.
    Never playing Pakistan is one reason I don't quite consider him top-ten material, the other being his moderate record in New Zealand in 1979\80 (though the fact that it's almost accepted as fact that West Indies had to get batsmen out three times before they got the wicket offers an amout of caveat there).

    I don't know why it was he missed the 1980\81 tour to Pakistan, and it's a great shame he was injured in 1977 after his extraordinary series in 1976 in England. Had he played both, his record would be more impressive still than it is. As it would be had he not missed 7 Tests out of 26 from 1984 to 1986 as his hamstrings begun to pose him problems.

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    Warne - The greatest of all time. One of two bowlers I ever saw that would mesmerize you ball by ball. A man for the absolute hugest of stages. Never quitting and relentless.
    Lillee - The greatest fast bowler of all time. Often dangerous, often fast, always genius. Lillee made the best batsmen look clueless and his contemporaries worship him.
    McGrath - Consistent, enduring, impressive, simple, but was always going to take wickets and cheaply.
    Hadlee - Did his job, did it honestly and did it alone. In the McGrath mold but more inventive. He didn't have a bowler of the calibre of Warne beside him and I wonder what he may have done if he did.
    Marshall - The best of the Windies bowlers. On pure statistics, the best bowler of his generation.
    Akram - Apart from Warne, the other great artist of bowling. He too would capture your imagination ball by ball. Bowling those unplayable balls. Akram gave you the impression he had a remote on the ball and chose where it went or swung.
    Trueman - Big bad Fred sported a SR that was ridiculous for his time. When SRs were rarely in the 50s, very few in the 60s and usually 70+, he took wickets at 49.4 balls a piece and at 21.57 runs a piece. I have not seem him bowl but upon reading a bit more of the era, I gained an appreciation for Trueman.
    Lindwall - Lindwall IMO, was probably the best bowler before the others arrived, namely Trueman. Along with Miller they made arguably the greatest fast bowling duo ever.
    Khan - Was regal and suave when he went about bowling. Was great and got better towards the end. Truly the first sub-continental fast bowler that could challenge the #1 spot in the discipline.
    Murali - In spin bowling, can only be second to Warne. Took bag-loads of wickets, everywhere he went, cheaply, whilst carrying such an unhelpfup side for most his career. Not just weak bowling support, but usually a batting line-up that didn't make his job any easier.
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    Personally, I'll never buy into the opinion that Akram was better than Khan.

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    agarkar and mohmmad sami are better than both lol hah

    don't know my top ten.. it would be pretty similar but i will have marshal first..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    Warne - The greatest of all time. One of two bowlers I ever saw that would mesmerize you ball by ball. A man for the absolute hugest of stages. Never quitting and relentless.
    Lillee - The greatest fast bowler of all time. Often dangerous, often fast, always genius. Lillee made the best batsmen look clueless and his contemporaries worship him.
    McGrath - Consistent, enduring, impressive, simple, but was always going to take wickets and cheaply.
    Hadlee - Did his job, did it honestly and did it alone. In the McGrath mold but more inventive. He didn't have a bowler of the calibre of Warne beside him and I wonder what he may have done if he did.
    Marshall - The best of the Windies bowlers. On pure statistics, the best bowler of his generation.
    Akram - Apart from Warne, the other great artist of bowling. He too would capture your imagination ball by ball. Bowling those unplayable balls. Akram gave you the impression he had a remote on the ball and chose where it went or swung.
    Trueman - Big bad Fred sported a SR that was ridiculous for his time. When SRs were rarely in the 50s, very few in the 60s and usually 70+, he took wickets at 49.4 balls a piece and at 21.57 runs a piece. I have not seem him bowl but upon reading a bit more of the era, I gained an appreciation for Trueman.
    Lindwall - Lindwall IMO, was probably the best bowler before the others arrived, namely Trueman. Along with Miller they made arguably the greatest fast bowling duo ever.
    Khan - Was regal and suave when he went about bowling. Was great and got better towards the end. Truly the first sub-continental fast bowler that could challenge the #1 spot in the discipline.
    Murali - In spin bowling, can only be second to Warne. Took bag-loads of wickets, everywhere he went, cheaply, whilst carrying such an unhelpfup side for most his career. Not just weak bowling support, but usually a batting line-up that didn't make his job any easier.
    In all honesty, Warne wasn't even the greatest in his own team, McGrath was. While Warne was being being pillored by Lara, Malik, Pietersen, Tendulkar and the rest of the Indians, McGrath never had any trouble conquering any of them. In terms of consistency, potency, ability to take top order wickets, ability to adapt to all conditions, and ability to knock the best in the business, McGrath was his superior.

    Having said that, Marshall should be number one. By all accounts, he had everything a fast bowler could want, and a pretty much flawless record.

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