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However, I still hold 11 years of excellence in a generally tough period and 1 in an easier one (regardless of the fact that it was followed by 3 years of relative paucity in an easier one) in far higher esteem than I hold 6 years of excellence in an easier time following-on from 5 or 6 of no-more-than-good performances in a generally tough one.
However, the central point is that I really don't care overtly about someone having 3 years of relative paucity (which is what averaging 42 between 2003 and 2006 was) when they've had 12 of excellence. It doesn't mean much to me. Especially when 18 months of that was hampered, severely, by tennis-elbow. Because if you can find me someone else who was excellent for 15 years and 170 or 180-odd innings, then we'll talk about how it reflects so abysmally on Tendulkar that he was unable to do this.
One other thing - do you deny that, had Tendulkar continued to play as he did between 1990 and 2002, that he'd have been very likely to have averaged around the 70 mark that the likes of Ponting and Kallis have since 2001\02?
He doesn't get his due on cricketweb, let alone generally.
been there, done that.
I can't be bothered to read the whole thread but if anyone has seriously stated that Kallis is a better batsman than Tendulkar at his peak then urgent remedial surgery is required.
I am just going to compare their batting since it is hard to compare Kallis' bowling with the combination of Tendulkar's bowling and aura which motivates team mates to perform.
A close contest
The averages excluding Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are:
Kallis clearly has the better average and this makes Kallis the better Test match batsman. Kallis has no conversion issues with 28 hundreds and 45 fifties and does not have the privledge of a home country famous for flat pitches but rather one famous for fast, bouncy tracks. Kallis has also had the similarly tough but reasonable job as batting spearhead with arguably worse partners than Tendulkar has had. Kallis is no doubt and exploiter of good conditions such as Pakistan and India where he has played well but succeeding where the other has not succeeded as much cannot be taken as a negative in a comparison.
Selecting a team to play against a similarly strong team (Living Vs Dead for example), I would have Tendulkar because I feel his strength is relishing a challenge and excelling.
The averages in ODIs are remarkably similar but Tendulkar's speed of scoring and superb fifty to hundred conversion (except this year of course) makes him a clear winner here. Furthermore, Kallis' average is helped by having 10 more not outs in about a million less innings whereas Tendulkar often opens.
No stats needed here, Tendulkar the clear winner in 50 over cricket.
The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.
Go and ask the likes of Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar or Flintoff who they think Kallis is the better batsman, and I think you'd get a different answer.
Ian Chappell would probably laugh But that's a different story.
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Kallis is a lot better than people think, and especially recently has come on a lot and started getting the recognition he deserves. Kallis is a great bat. However, Sachin's recent form slump in tests notwithstanding (and stats aside) he is, I believe, a class above. I would rate SRT the better bat than JK by a considerable distance.
Tendulkar as a batsman (though not by as much as some would suggest) and Kallis as a cricketer (though not by as much as some would suggest). Kallis comes just behind Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting and Dravid in this generation.
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TBF to Dravid, he has averaged 62 since the start of 2002 which is pretty damn good. Not to mention he averages 67 when playing away, something I doubt many batsmen in the current era could lay claim to.
Since 2002 Kallis averages 66 overall, and 64 away from home.
Ponting averages 71 overall and 62 away.
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