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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    80 might be a bit of an ask, but if Kallis, Ponting etc. can average 70, Tendulkar certainly could have had he not declined.
    So Sachin could have done what Kallis has done.

    I would rate a person who has done something higher then a person who could have done the same thing..

    There's about as little doubt about that as there is of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    80 might be a bit of an ask, but if Kallis, Ponting etc. can average 70, Tendulkar certainly could have had he not declined.
    Sure, Tendulkar had the ability...but he didn't do it because he... didn't...not through lack of trying or time.

    Your argument by inference demands, then, that Dravid is clearly Tendulkar's superior. Not only was he great coming into the past decade, in which he averaged 52, but also great in this era averaging 61.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    So Sachin could have done what Kallis has done.

    I would rate a person who has done something higher then a person who could have done the same thing..

    There's about as little doubt about that as there is of anything.
    It's nothing more than a case of whoever was good at the right time, though.

    That's why it strikes me as such an injustice to rank the players lucky enough to be at their peak 2001-2007 ahead of those who happened to be at their peak, say, 1993-1999 (that's hypothetical, there's no specific case of said dates).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It's nothing more than a case of whoever was good at the right time, though.

    That's why it strikes me as such an injustice to rank the players lucky enough to be at their peak 2001-2007 ahead of those who happened to be at their peak, say, 1993-1999 (that's hypothetical, there's no specific case of said dates).
    What's so lucky about it if people like you completely generalise and denigrate their efforts just because they happened to get into their respective test sides a few years late?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    Sure, Tendulkar had the ability...but he didn't do it because he... didn't...not through lack of trying or time.
    No, he didn't because no-one can be the same player forever.
    Your argument by inference demands, then, that Dravid is clearly Tendulkar's superior. Not only was he great coming into the past decade, in which he averaged 52, but also great in this era averaging 61.
    There's certainly a case for Dravid > Tendulkar and I'll be happiest forming a conclusion about the two when both played played their last game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    70 to 80 that's a massive jump..
    It is actually, will edit the post to be more accurate.
    My point with the bowlers is that Sachin faced rubbish bowling which to me means there was a period in the 90s where he had it easy.

    There are 8 test nations Sachin can play against currently. So about 32 bowlers in Test Cricket. What percent of the bowlers would you consider

    1) Excellent
    2) Good
    3) Average
    4) Poor

    And what was it like in your opinion in the tougher conditions at the of last century?
    There was no "period" where he had it easy in the 1990s, though - there was a series here and there, no more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    No, he didn't because no-one can be the same player forever.
    EXACTLY. You just compare their peaks it seems and that's it. Longevity counts here; as well as reinvention.

    Just because you weren't as great when you started off doesn't mean you couldn't grow into a better player and just because you were a much better batsman doesn't mean you couldn't become more fallible later on in your career - in fact, both seem regular.

    There's certainly a case for Dravid > Tendulkar and I'll be happiest forming a conclusion about the two when both played played their last game.
    So if Ponting can be rated as better than Dravid, and Dravid better than Tendulkar, why do you go all nutter when someone says that Ponting is better than Tendulkar? You've pretty much brought the same argument in this Kallis comparison for Ponting too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It is actually, will edit the post to be more accurate.

    There was no "period" where he had it easy in the 1990s, though - there was a series here and there, no more than that.
    In that 'period' only Pakistan, Windies and South Africa could have been said better THEN than now, the others have improved. Australia stayed the same.

    Against Pakistan Tendulkar hadn't done well, neither South Africa. Against Australia he did and against Windies he did too. Although Walsh was aging and Ambrose only played 1 series. So really, this entire rant you have going about how Tendulkar would average 80 and Kallis' efforts should be taken with a grain of salt is based on Tendulkar's form V Aussies (who've stayed the same, so that of course can't count as Kallis and co. still face them) and an inconsistent Windies side that went from World #1 to almost minnows. That's it, no more no less. That 1 Windies side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    EXACTLY. You just compare their peaks it seems and that's it. Longevity counts here; as well as reinvention.

    Just because you weren't as great when you started off doesn't mean you couldn't grow into a better player and just because you were a much better batsman doesn't mean you couldn't become more fallible later on in your career - in fact, both seem regular.
    I could not care less if someone who was magnificent for 12 years then becomes lesser - it's not like you've demonstrated a lack of longevity.
    So if Ponting can be rated as better than Dravid, and Dravid better than Tendulkar, why do you go all nutter when someone says that Ponting is better than Tendulkar? You've pretty much brought the same argument in this Kallis comparison for Ponting too.
    I've never once said Ponting > Dravid, it's as laughable a claim as Ponting > Tendulkar, one only a "nutter" (or someone so blinded by Aussie-Aussie-Aussie that "if all else is equal, being Australian be the casting vote) could make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    In that 'period' only Pakistan, Windies and South Africa could have been said better THEN than now, the others have improved. Australia stayed the same.

    Against Pakistan Tendulkar hadn't done well, neither South Africa. Against Australia he did and against Windies he did too. Although Walsh was aging and Ambrose only played 1 series. So really, this entire rant you have going about how Tendulkar would average 80 and Kallis' efforts should be taken with a grain of salt is based on Tendulkar's form V Aussies (who've stayed the same, so that of course can't count as Kallis and co. still face them) and an inconsistent Windies side that went from World #1 to almost minnows. That's it, no more no less. That 1 Windies side.
    I have absolutely no wish, as I've stated already, to do this again. All it results in is people thinking, "ah, &%$ that, CBA with CC". Which is the last thing anyone wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I could not care less if someone who was magnificent for 12 years then becomes lesser - it's not like you've demonstrated a lack of longevity.
    Then by the same token, stop giving him extra credit for starting early. The guy was in his mid-20s at the start of the millennium.

    I love how all these debates seem to connect your arguments together. Why Richards' record is demeaned because he kept playing on isn't factored the same way here is also a mystery. Richards was averaging 60, too against great bowling. Yet it is unfathomable to you that he could be 2nd greatest batsman of all time. Sorry to link these up and digress, it just seems strangely weird and inconsistent, not to mention biased.

    I've never once said Ponting > Dravid, it's as laughable a claim as Ponting > Tendulkar, one only a "nutter" (or someone so blinded by Aussie-Aussie-Aussie that "if all else is equal, being Australian be the casting vote) could make.
    I am not saying you said Ponting > Dravid. BUT for the wider audience it's something that gets acknowledged with respect these days. You also consider it a worthy comparison that Dravid could be equal to Tendulkar, if not better...so why is it when Punter's name comes around that his record in the 90s is used to denigrate his record, when it is good enough to compare him favourably to Dravid, but not Sachin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I've never once said Ponting > Dravid, it's as laughable a claim as Ponting > Tendulkar, one only a "nutter" (or someone so blinded by Aussie-Aussie-Aussie that "if all else is equal, being Australian be the casting vote) could make.
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    Hmmm...

    Test One
    Code:
    JH Kallis XI versus SR Tendulkar XI
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         stSR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	206 (313)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	15 (40)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	268 (414)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	56 (69)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	100 (113)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	10 (11)
     Extras		( w19 nb3 b7 lb12 )		41
    
    	Total (from 160 overs)	696 - 4 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-40  2-410  3-516  4-666  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      26	2	116	1	
    SR Tendulkar      25	2	139	0	
    SR Tendulkar      22	5	73	2	
    SR Tendulkar      21	3	82	0	
    SR Tendulkar      18	2	79	0	
    SR Tendulkar      20	1	83	0	
    SR Tendulkar      11	2	38	0	
    SR Tendulkar      14	2	54	1	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	13	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	31 (91)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	66 (165)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	28 (50)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	31 (39)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	27 (64)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	6 (14)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	26 (57)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	74 (91)
     SR Tendulkar                          b JH Kallis         	25 (42)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	25 (80)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	27 (46)
     Extras		( w2 nb3 b11 lb22 )		38
    
    	Total (from 124 overs)	404 All out
    Fall of wickets:
    1-86  2-141  3-157  4-194  5-212  6-216  7-287  8-332  9-352  10-404  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         22	5	71	2	
    JH Kallis         26	3	81	1	
    JH Kallis         23	3	64	3	
    JH Kallis         21	4	69	1	
    JH Kallis         13	3	40	1	
    JH Kallis         12	4	31	1	
    JH Kallis         6	1	15	1	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI (Following on)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	6 (16)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	55 (101)
     SR Tendulkar                   run out                	54 (115)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	74 (161)
     SR Tendulkar                          b JH Kallis         	105 (181)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	15 (16)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	58 (118)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	13 (22)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	17 (33)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	33 (51)
     SR Tendulkar                      c & b JH Kallis         	8 (21)
     Extras		( w6 nb1 b8 lb19 )		34
    
    	Total (from 140 overs)	472 All out
    Fall of wickets:
    1-25  2-93  3-134  4-279  5-304  6-361  7-392  8-421  9-434  10-472  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         23	4	71	2	
    JH Kallis         25	6	86	1	
    JH Kallis         18	2	63	0	
    JH Kallis         23	7	82	1	
    JH Kallis         22	9	56	3	
    JH Kallis         16	6	46	2	
    JH Kallis         8	2	25	0	
    JH Kallis         4	1	16	0	
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	53 (65)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	18 (42)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	23 (40)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	1 (9)
     Extras		( w1 b4 lb9 )		14
    
    	Total (from 26 overs)	109 - 2
    Fall of wickets:
    1-48  2-100  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      7	1	33	0	
    SR Tendulkar      4	0	18	0	
    SR Tendulkar      5	2	9	1	
    SR Tendulkar      4	1	18	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	8	0	
    SR Tendulkar      1	0	6	0	
    SR Tendulkar      2	0	4	1	
    
    Match Drawn
    Man of the match is JH Kallis
    Test Two

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    JH Kallis XI versus SR Tendulkar XI
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	10 (30)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	86 (152)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	60 (89)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	17 (51)
     JH Kallis                    lbw      b SR Tendulkar      	184 (287)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	134 (181)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	31 (61)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	69 (104)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	5 (7)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	20 (64)
     Extras		( w13 nb3 b4 lb7 )		27
    
    	Total (from 171 overs)	643 - 8 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-29  2-129  3-168  4-183  5-440  6-518  7-553  8-558  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      28	6	106	0	
    SR Tendulkar      26	2	99	2	
    SR Tendulkar      24	4	93	0	
    SR Tendulkar      25	6	81	2	
    SR Tendulkar      23	4	72	2	
    SR Tendulkar      22	4	88	1	
    SR Tendulkar      16	2	65	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	1	11	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	2	6	1	
    SR Tendulkar      1	0	11	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	83 (102)
     SR Tendulkar                      c & b JH Kallis         	25 (69)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	184 (325)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	54 (78)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	12 (22)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	183 (330)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	60 (100)
     Extras		( w14 nb3 b15 lb28 )		60
    
    	Total (from 171 overs)	661 - 5 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-109  2-110  3-205  4-239  5-538  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         31	8	111	1	
    JH Kallis         33	5	115	0	
    JH Kallis         27	3	126	2	
    JH Kallis         23	3	76	0	
    JH Kallis         19	3	79	1	
    JH Kallis         23	5	59	1	
    JH Kallis         8	1	29	0	
    JH Kallis         1	0	1	0	
    JH Kallis         6	1	22	0	
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	147 (302)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	22 (34)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	196 (300)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	3 (12)
     Extras		( w3 nb2 b6 lb14 )		25
    
    	Total (from 108 overs)	393 - 2
    Fall of wickets:
    1-37  2-378  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      18	2	69	0	
    SR Tendulkar      18	6	59	0	
    SR Tendulkar      16	5	33	0	
    SR Tendulkar      16	4	57	1	
    SR Tendulkar      14	2	48	1	
    SR Tendulkar      12	2	43	0	
    SR Tendulkar      10	2	40	0	
    SR Tendulkar      4	0	24	0	
    
    Match Drawn
    Man of the match is JH Kallis
    Test Three

    Code:
    JH Kallis XI versus SR Tendulkar XI
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	22 (48)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	38 (55)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	162 (300)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	254 (444)
     JH Kallis                    lbw      b SR Tendulkar      	62 (99)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	37 (80)
     Extras		( w8 nb1 b3 lb21 )		33
    
    	Total (from 171 overs)	608 - 4 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-59  2-66  3-401  4-529  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      28	5	90	0	
    SR Tendulkar      27	6	95	0	
    SR Tendulkar      27	2	88	1	
    SR Tendulkar      26	2	99	0	
    SR Tendulkar      20	3	71	0	
    SR Tendulkar      20	5	66	2	
    SR Tendulkar      13	3	38	1	
    SR Tendulkar      8	1	29	0	
    SR Tendulkar      2	0	8	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	155 (261)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	168 (280)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	36 (59)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	26 (46)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	77 (135)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	1 (3)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	28 (50)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	33 (58)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	50 (78)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	7 (8)
     Extras		( w2 nb4 b10 lb19 )		35
    
    	Total (from 163 overs)	616 - 8 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-313  2-362  3-405  4-406  5-407  6-477  7-544  8-590  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         29	6	102	1	
    JH Kallis         26	7	87	0	
    JH Kallis         17	3	57	0	
    JH Kallis         25	3	88	1	
    JH Kallis         21	5	81	3	
    JH Kallis         22	4	90	1	
    JH Kallis         14	5	38	1	
    JH Kallis         9	2	44	1	
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	3 (29)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	9 (16)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	101 (133)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	192 (302)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	60 (87)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	69 (129)
     Extras		( w13 b5 lb4 )		22
    
    	Total (from 116 overs)	456 - 4
    Fall of wickets:
    1-9  2-22  3-196  4-303  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      20	4	70	1	
    SR Tendulkar      18	4	76	0	
    SR Tendulkar      16	3	62	2	
    SR Tendulkar      17	2	78	1	
    SR Tendulkar      14	2	41	0	
    SR Tendulkar      11	3	31	0	
    SR Tendulkar      7	1	37	0	
    SR Tendulkar      7	1	27	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	20	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	1	5	0	
    
    Match Drawn
    Man of the match is JH Kallis
    Test Four

    Code:
    SR Tendulkar XI versus JH Kallis XI
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	43 (84)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	22 (70)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	63 (101)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	11 (12)
     SR Tendulkar                          b JH Kallis         	28 (111)
     SR Tendulkar                      c & b JH Kallis         	129 (220)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	17 (45)
     SR Tendulkar                          b JH Kallis         	35 (67)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	60 (128)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	55 (91)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	14 (37)
     Extras		( nb2 b29 lb37 )		68
    
    	Total (from 161 overs)	545 - 9 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-76  2-78  3-101  4-196  5-220  6-275  7-347  8-444  9-485  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         27	11	72	0	
    JH Kallis         25	2	95	0	
    JH Kallis         24	7	69	1	
    JH Kallis         23	8	58	2	
    JH Kallis         13	2	39	2	
    JH Kallis         24	7	60	3	
    JH Kallis         10	3	31	1	
    JH Kallis         8	1	29	0	
    JH Kallis         7	4	26	0	
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis                    lbw      b SR Tendulkar      	56 (102)
     JH Kallis         stSR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	54 (110)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	70 (83)
     JH Kallis                         c & b SR Tendulkar      	14 (35)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	279 (458)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	52 (85)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	26 (44)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	11 (29)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	47 (64)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	95 (131)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	36 (54)
     Extras		( w15 nb6 b10 lb33 )		64
    
    	Total (from 200 overs)	804 All out
    Fall of wickets:
    1-118  2-137  3-163  4-232  5-373  6-410  7-433  8-520  9-698  10-804  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      34	9	100	2	
    SR Tendulkar      32	4	128	0	
    SR Tendulkar      30	3	128	3	
    SR Tendulkar      29	3	87	2	
    SR Tendulkar      26	7	92	0	
    SR Tendulkar      23	3	87	2	
    SR Tendulkar      14	0	82	0	
    SR Tendulkar      8	1	47	1	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	10	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	161 (253)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	34 (104)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	74 (177)
     Extras		( w2 nb1 b6 lb9 )		18
    
    	Total (from 89 overs)	287 - 1
    Fall of wickets:
    1-105  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         16	3	49	1	
    JH Kallis         18	4	51	0	
    JH Kallis         17	5	53	0	
    JH Kallis         8	1	20	0	
    JH Kallis         9	0	39	0	
    JH Kallis         13	5	39	0	
    JH Kallis         8	1	21	0	
    
    Match Drawn
    Man of the match is JH Kallis
    Test Five

    Code:
    JH Kallis XI versus SR Tendulkar XI
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	92 (141)
     JH Kallis                         c & b SR Tendulkar      	8 (27)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	62 (103)
     JH Kallis                    lbw      b SR Tendulkar      	20 (21)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	41 (104)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	121 (231)
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	21 (31)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	7 (18)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	57 (122)
     Extras		( w11 nb2 b7 lb17 )		37
    
    	Total (from 133 overs)	466 - 7 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-34  2-167  3-167  4-206  5-262  6-297  7-321  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      24	5	97	2	
    SR Tendulkar      19	5	63	1	
    SR Tendulkar      20	5	51	1	
    SR Tendulkar      17	1	60	1	
    SR Tendulkar      15	5	26	0	
    SR Tendulkar      16	3	65	1	
    SR Tendulkar      11	1	31	0	
    SR Tendulkar      6	1	21	0	
    SR Tendulkar      5	0	28	1	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	11 (21)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	26 (47)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	8 (23)
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	18 (25)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	172 (304)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	6 (5)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	0 (10)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	19 (32)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	53 (102)
     SR Tendulkar      c JH Kallis         b JH Kallis         	29 (55)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	44 (65)
     Extras		( w3 nb1 b6 lb5 )		15
    
    	Total (from 115 overs)	401 All out
    Fall of wickets:
    1-20  2-45  3-45  4-75  5-81  6-82  7-117  8-242  9-314  10-401  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         21	7	61	3	
    JH Kallis         23	3	78	1	
    JH Kallis         18	4	70	2	
    JH Kallis         11	2	52	2	
    JH Kallis         17	1	53	1	
    JH Kallis         12	4	29	1	
    JH Kallis         1	0	4	0	
    JH Kallis         11	4	43	0	
    
    JH Kallis XI
     JH Kallis                             b SR Tendulkar      	33 (83)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	32 (67)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	86 (131)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	107 (155)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	31 (39)
     JH Kallis         c SR Tendulkar      b SR Tendulkar      	24 (41)
     JH Kallis                      not out                	0 (0)
     Extras		( w5 nb1 b5 lb9 )		20
    
    	Total (from 86 overs)	333 - 5 declared
    Fall of wickets:
    1-68  2-91  3-240  4-287  5-333  
    
    Bowling Figures for SR Tendulkar XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    SR Tendulkar      15	1	64	1	
    SR Tendulkar      14	2	47	0	
    SR Tendulkar      13	1	52	2	
    SR Tendulkar      13	3	46	1	
    SR Tendulkar      9	1	32	0	
    SR Tendulkar      8	0	34	0	
    SR Tendulkar      5	0	15	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	14	1	
    SR Tendulkar      3	0	8	0	
    SR Tendulkar      3	1	7	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI
     SR Tendulkar                 lbw      b JH Kallis         	136 (250)
     SR Tendulkar                          b JH Kallis         	5 (6)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	209 (300)
     SR Tendulkar                   not out                	20 (54)
     Extras		( w4 nb2 b10 lb15 )		31
    
    	Total (from 102 overs)	401 - 2
    Fall of wickets:
    1-7  2-329  
    
    Bowling Figures for JH Kallis XI
    
                      O	M	R	W
    JH Kallis         18	3	64	1	
    JH Kallis         19	6	55	1	
    JH Kallis         16	3	73	0	
    JH Kallis         9	1	41	0	
    JH Kallis         11	1	37	0	
    JH Kallis         13	3	63	0	
    JH Kallis         12	4	34	0	
    JH Kallis         3	1	9	0	
    
    SR Tendulkar XI won by 8 wickets
    Man of the match is SR Tendulkar
    Fairly predictable, except that last Test which just shows up the VC4 code, really

    May do ODIs in a moment...
    Or something.

    RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990 - 15/4/2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Erm... no, I rate that considerably lower than the ability to score against better bowling.

    At a time of generally good bowling Tendulkar was superlative, Kallis good. This is far more important than one's ability to bash rubbish bowling - not that Tendulkar at the time he was a good player lost anything in comparison to Kallis there.

    I really wish people would stop, meanwhile, bringing the Tendulkar of 2003 onwards into any equation. Tendulkar was no longer the player he had been - of course he couldn't cash-in on the rubbish bowling the way some have.
    youre an absolute hypocrite.

    You say discard Tendulkar from 2003 onwards, and Gilly sucks because you THINK he hasnt played well the last 4 years.

    1. Gilchrist is a keeper, tendulkar is useless in the field, he cant bowl. I hope to god Tendulkar is a better batsman than Gilchrist because gilchrist is a keeper.

    And the topic is whos the better player, not whos the better batsman.

    Kallis is a better bowler, Kallis is a more reliable batsman, Kallis is a great slips fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    But Sachin has done what Kallis has done - in a harder era. In any case, these threads make me LOL as they pretty much pick the flavor of the month (see Hayden vs. Lara thread).

    Flavour of the month? What have you been only watching cricket for the past month?

    Or were u living under a rock when Hayden was averaging over 100 and scoring 100 in nearly every single innings around 2003 and beating England into the ground.
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