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    3 years ago I think I would have answered Ambrose, and he was one of my favourite bowlers ever as I was brought up as a kid watching him tear batting line-ups apart. I could probably link to a post or two with me choosing Ambrose.

    But McGrath's exploits from 2004 till his retirement were amazing, and IMO are enough to edge him ahead of Curtley, just.
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    Not sure about surfaces changing, we have had 5 Test series in the past all being drawn in India but I remember on one occasion Bill Lawry winning the toss and inserting the Indian team, I can't remember the scores but I do recall it seaming
    You know it makes sense.

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    Amby for me....McGrath, great that he is, would not provide the retaliatory ammo necessary to counter a rampaging quickie with bad intentions.

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    This exact question has been done in the recent past. I've always had Ambrose ahead of McGrath, for much the same reason that Warne provided in his top 50 - they're both exception in very similar ways, but Ambrose was also slightly quicker and had an even greater degree of 'extra bounce' in his deliveries.
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    Curtley Ambrose for me.

    I think there are circumstances where cricket fans recall the highs and lows of cricketers such as Brian Lara, and they'll judge him harshly because they remember the lows. Then there are times when cricket fans only remember the highs of great cricketers, and I think Glenn McGrath is an example of this.

    McGrath is a great, but when people say he didn't need pace or swing etc I think their memory is somewhat selective. I can recall times when I thought McGrath was lacking... granted there were very few moments when that happened... but if McGrath was doing poorly on a bouncey wicket, I could say to myself "Curtley Ambrose could've gotten a wicket here with some extra bounce" or "There's a chance for swing, but McGrath doesn't swing the ball." There have been times when I didn't think McGrath was all too threatening as well.

    Curtley, in my opinion, looked more threatening as was more successful in moments where McGrath was suceptable to failure. I think people also tend to forget that whilst McGrath's main bo was his unbelievable accuracy, there's a few bowlers in history who fall into the same category of accuracy... among McGrath are players like Hadlee and yes, Curtley Ambrose.

    Curtley never gave interviews during his career, but I was interested to see him interviewed not long ago and aside from the fact that he seemed like a very nice fellow (which his field presence didn't indicate), what intrigued me was that Ambrose didn't consider himself as fast bowler. He said Brett Lee was fast, he wasn't. Ambrose said his greatest attribute was accuracy... and I agree completely with that.

    I think that's what made him so special. The great pace was delivered the ball with was simply a given because he was a great athlete. So was the bounce he extracted... that was a given because he was so tall. But his accuracy is what made him great. One of the freak athletes of cricket.

    All that said, I think McGrath has a greater legacy than Ambrose. As well as Australia performed against Sri Lanka, their dominance, I think, will mostly be attributed to Warne and McGrath. Ambrose has a great legacy, and as a kid he was the number one bananna in a West Indian side still considered the best in the world... but I think McGrath will be better associated with cricket glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    McGrath's exploits from 2004 till his retirement were amazing
    Agree completely.
    and IMO are enough to edge him ahead of Curtley, just.
    Disagree.
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    I think there are circumstances where cricket fans recall the highs and lows of cricketers such as Brian Lara, and they'll judge him harshly because they remember the lows. Then there are times when cricket fans only remember the highs of great cricketers, and I think Glenn McGrath is an example of this.
    Same with Curtly, though. There were times when he was quite impotent and completely disinterested. He was fairly ineffective in all bar one Test of the 1995 win by the Aussies for example. Ditto the follow-up series in Australia in 1996/97. Didn't give away many runs of course but didn't look like taking wickets either.
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    It's true, though, virtually no-one ever talks about that. Sure, it happened, as did McGrath's failures here and there (every game on a non-seaming pitch between 2001 and 2004\05 for instance )

    Whereas with Allan Donald, oh no, all anyone ever wants to talk about is the bad points. If it's not that hook by Elliott, it's the run-out in WC99; if it's not that it's those last 3 infernal Tests that I so, so wish he hadn't played; if it's not those it's WC2003 which is pretty similar; if not that it's something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It's true, though, virtually no-one ever talks about that. Sure, it happened, as did McGrath's failures here and there (every game on a non-seaming pitch between 2001 and 2004\05 for instance )
    Care to explain? I think I know what you're referring to, but I'd like to be sure.
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    Nah, would risk a server-crash.

    Look back at some posts from late 2003 and early 2004 if you really want to know. Much of the said still applies. Do try to resist the temptation to dig though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Disagree.
    Lol, fair enough too.

    Look, a month from now I'll probably throw in my old Frank Worrell Trophy DVDs from the 90s and change my mind again and select Ambrose.

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    McGraths final test match at the SCG
    no assistance for quicks..very flat track with sun baking down

    England 1/150 or something ... cant remember... McGrath clean bowls Bell with an offcutter then gets KP soon later and England are in trouble all of a sudden..

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    McGrath...because of Richard's ridiculous idea that about 3 years of his life was spent getting wickets through luck...would prefer to be Ambrose though if I could pick between the two. A scarier bowler.
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    Ambrose all the way
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    ambrose just in front for me...

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