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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    That's what I was thinking, at the 5th second it might have happened. The only thing possible really.
    I only thought it about looking at Azhar Mahmood (#11) gesture as he appealled. Basically pointing at the stumps not the keeper for caught behind. I don't see where he hit wicket though.
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    Here is the only time it could have happened:

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    Hit wicket would make sense of the reactions but I just don't see it in the video. The batsman doesn't seem nearly far back to have hit wicket.

    I suppose if we knew the rough date of the game and the batsman we could dig out the scorecard on Cricinfo.

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    It's Mohammad Akram with the ball and Jon Batty behind the stumps.

    The hit wicket theory is unworkable as Akram has only ever taken one hit wicket in his career - and that was playing for Essex against Surrey in 2003.

    Looks like, from the comments on the youtube video anyway, it's from Surrey v Bradford/Leeds UCCE in April. That means the batsman is either Tom Merilaht or Shaaiq Choudhry... that's as much as I can find, however.
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    Not much help at all though Pickup. Completely useless i would say.
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    jha4tim the guy who posted this video om youtube has posted justone other video titled "shot lad". One view of that and you can see that it is from the same match. The ground and the wicket are the same and you can even see identical marks off the pitch.

    Anyone recognise anything more from that ?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WGfM0UhU8

    This is the other video but I am not sure it's the same game. The bowler doesn't have a number on his back.

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    It confirms that it's the Bradford/Leeds UCCE game as the bowler is Stuart Magoffin.

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    Stuart Magoffin was the bowler and he wasn't a main squad player, so thats why he doesn't have a number. He was one of backup overseas players in the squad.

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    So who was the umpire who gave him out? Gould or Bodenham?

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    The Umpire is that Martin Bodenham fellow (unless it's a substitute Umpire, which you could conceive it being with a decision like that), because the other official in that game was Ian Gould, and his very distinctive finger-raising style was certainly not present in the dismissal in question.

    I guess if it was a UCCE game that'd to some extent explain the lack of fuss; the papers never report those games, nor do CricInfo, and the crowds - if there are any - (especially at international grounds) are almost exclusively fellow students some of whom don't know the first thing about the game and are just going on a trip with their mates who are playing. No-one's going to be filming in any official capacity, this lad who took those two vids will have been totally unexpected.

    It'd also be the perfect opportunity to make a few quid on some sort of mutual fix, as virtually no-one cares about these games (especially given that Bradford\Leeds don't even have First-Class status so no-one's records are even at stake), and as everyone knows, students always have an eye or three on some money-making. The Umpire is a nobody so he's got little to lose even if he does get found-out. The Surrey players are highly unlikely to take any interest in it.

    Matthew Engel warned in Wisden (2004 I think) that I$C$C have a deal with Betfair to trace any unusual patterns; the ECB don't, and it's well-known that they don't.

    This post, remember, is from someone who despises conspiracy-theorism. I'm not saying this because I'm being sensationalist, I'm saying it because I honestly think there's a chance.

    CW should contact the ECB, really, to see if they're aware of any of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WGfM0UhU8

    This is the other video but I am not sure it's the same game. The bowler doesn't have a number on his back.
    I did notice that but sometimes players will wear a different /numberless shirt than others.

    The ground and wicket are thesame as is a white chalk mark to the right. Its exactly the same size and in the same spot.

    Moreover, its shot from the same camera placed at the same spot or with exactly the same frame from all four sides which is a HUGE HUGE coincidence. Ask any photographer and he will tell you.

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    They look so similar how do you tell who is who

    Martin Bodenham



    Ian Gould



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    Th interesting thing about the catch is that everyone infront of the wicket had no doubt about the dismissal, whereas the keeper and first slip seem to have no clue. Maybe if we got a view from the other side we might see something else. But it does look like from the angle we saw that he clearly missed it, but their was a lot of talk from the bowl, away from the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biased indian View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V9xnMvgO0A


    how about this one

    look how gatting reacts
    that LBW looked out to me, why is Gatting reacting like that? He missed the sweep, the ball hit his back leg and was going on to hit the stumps.

    edit: juz saw it more closely again, it did hit his front foot, poor decision.
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