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NZ tour Queensland

slugger

State Vice-Captain
A New Zealand squad will depart on Thursday (27 September) to take part in a 50-over tournament in Queensland.

The team will take on state representative sides from South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania during a four-day, pre-season competition on the Sunshine Coast.

The squad is:

James Marshall (captain; State Northern Knights), Jamie How (State Central Stags), Craig Cumming (State Otago Volts), Michael Papps (State Canterbury Wizards), Neil Broom (State Otago Volts), Gareth Hopkins (State Auckland Aces), Grant Elliott (State Wellington Firebirds), Nathan McCullum (State Otago Volts), Bradley Scott (State Otago Volts), Michael Mason (State Central Stags), Kyle Mills (State Auckland Aces), James McMillan (State Otago Volts), Hamish Bennett (State Canterbury Wizards).

lol no mat sinclair.. even though hes on contract
 

Perm

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Interesting to see no Jesse Ryder, presumably because it's a 50-over tournament, a form of the game he isn't too flash in. I really hope Michael Papps scores a few runs, he'd be a good choice at the top of our order in ODI cricket. Neil Broom, Grant Elliot, Nathan McCullum and Bradley Scott are the players to watch. A lot of these guys have all been tried at international cricket before and haven't been too successful like Marshall, How, Cumming, Mason.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Don't see much point in Mason or Cumming going. These guys are hardly the future.

I was told the other day that Stu Mills has left New Zealand and cricket to start a legal career in the UK!! If so, this is a blow (for Wellington Cricket at least) as he was looking pretty good at the tail end of last year.

And I expect that there's no Jesse Ryder in the squad because Bracewell's a **** and doesn't like the guy full stop. A New Zealand A squad without Ryder (even with his past problems) is an absolute joke.
 

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Don't see much point in Mason or Cumming going. These guys are hardly the future.

I was told the other day that Stu Mills has left New Zealand and cricket to start a legal career in the UK!! If so, this is a blow (for Wellington Cricket at least) as he was looking pretty good at the tail end of last year.

And I expect that there's no Jesse Ryder in the squad because Bracewell's a **** and doesn't like the guy full stop. A New Zealand A squad without Ryder (even with his past problems) is an absolute joke.
Given that it's List A cricket, I don't think it's an absolute joke at all. Despite tearing it up in First Class matches, Ryder is pretty much just rubbish in limited overs cricket.

One would assume that Kyle Mills is in the team just so he can regain some match-fitness ahead of New Zealand's upcoming season, none of the bowlers in South Africa have put their hand up to replace him.
 

Flem274*

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Send Marshall and Mason home. Can't see them succeeding in international cricket. Replace with Matthew Sinclair and Richard Sherlock if he is'nt lying on an operating table. If he is, send Iain O'Brien or Matty Harvie. Are Hitchcock and Aldridge there? Can't remember seeing their names. They deserve a go IMO.
 

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Send Marshall and Mason home. Can't see them succeeding in international cricket. Replace with Matthew Sinclair and Richard Sherlock if he is'nt lying on an operating table. If he is, send Iain O'Brien or Matty Harvie. Are Hitchcock and Aldridge there? Can't remember seeing their names. They deserve a go IMO.
Geez, how many games has Matt Harvie played? We're not India here :p

Not too sure what the news on Richard Sherlock is, but Ian O'Brien must be feeling a bit stiff not to make the team. I'm unsure about how good he is at limited overs stuff, but given his bowling form last year I thought they'd want to keep him in the mix.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Geez, how many games has Matt Harvie played? We're not India here :p

Not too sure what the news on Richard Sherlock is, but Ian O'Brien must be feeling a bit stiff not to make the team. I'm unsure about how good he is at limited overs stuff, but given his bowling form last year I thought they'd want to keep him in the mix.
Haha didn't know Harvie was new, I just thought he looked quite the seamer last year so tossed his name out.

O'Brien off admittedly poor memory was pretty crap when he played a couple of ODI's for NZ. He's gotten better over the years however in both forms and I reckon he deserves a go, especially in tests. He would do better than the greentop bully Martin anyway.
 

Flem274*

123/5
A New Zealand squad will depart on Thursday (27 September) to take part in a 50-over tournament in Queensland.

The team will take on state representative sides from South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania during a four-day, pre-season competition on the Sunshine Coast.

The squad is:

James Marshall (captain; State Northern Knights), Jamie How (State Central Stags), Craig Cumming (State Otago Volts), Michael Papps (State Canterbury Wizards), Neil Broom (State Otago Volts), Gareth Hopkins (State Auckland Aces), Grant Elliott (State Wellington Firebirds), Nathan McCullum (State Otago Volts), Bradley Scott (State Otago Volts), Michael Mason (State Central Stags), Kyle Mills (State Auckland Aces), James McMillan (State Otago Volts), Hamish Bennett (State Canterbury Wizards).

lol no mat sinclair.. even though hes on contract
1st XI IMO should be:

Michael Papps
Craig Cumming
Jamie How
James Marshall
Neil Broom
Grant Elliot
Gareth Hopkins
Nathan McCullum
Kyle Mills
James McMillan/Bradley Scott
Hamish Bennet

Where are the middle order players? Looking at that list they're gonna use all the openers in each game because there are no middle order players. Lacks a quality no.3 and no.4 IMO. Broom the only decent middle order batsman there. Elliot off memory is quite a good allrounder. I'm loving the bowling stocks bar Mason. Needs some middle order players though. If I had any say I'd swap Cumming for Sinclair and have How open so Sinclair slots in at 3. Greg Hay or Jesse Ryder who IMO is a middle order batsman in all forms at 4 in place off the specialist fieldsman.

Actualy, about Ryder, maybe thats the problem. They're trying to manufacture an opener out of him. Didn't he open for Wellington in list A?
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Given that it's List A cricket, I don't think it's an absolute joke at all. Despite tearing it up in First Class matches, Ryder is pretty much just rubbish in limited overs cricket.
I've seen the Big Jesse tear it up in List A - a game that he is more naturally suited to in my opinion. I would still argue there's more benefit in trying him out against quality opposition despite his record than continuing to plough the **** vein of mediocrity that is James Marshall.

In fact, **** it, it would be more forward thinking to play Ken Rutherford with both arms broken and wearing blinkers than keep giving Marshall a go.

I'd be looking at Greg Hay, Rob Nicol, Brandon Hiini, Tim Southee, Bevan Griggs, David Haupapa, Aaron Redmond, watsisname Flynn and even Matthew Bell before some of the also-rans that have been selected here. We've seen all these guys before and know what they're capable of (and in some instances, we know them to be wholly incapable). Why not take the opportunity to have a look at some the younguns.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Phlegm said:
Elliot off memory is quite a good allrounder. I'm loving the bowling stocks bar Mason. Needs some middle order players though. If I had any say I'd swap Cumming for Sinclair and have How open so Sinclair slots in at 3. Greg Hay or Jesse Ryder who IMO is a middle order batsman in all forms at 4 in place off the specialist fieldsman.

Eliott is a solid domestic performer, but I doubt he's good enough with either bat or ball to be an international success.

The lack of middle order players in this squad, given that this is where most of our young talent can be found is particularly alarming. I can rattle off a good number of young middle order players who could be learning from this tour, but no - they send the same old has-beens and talentless wastrels to 'learn'

Scoff.
 

Flem274*

123/5
I've seen the Big Jesse tear it up in List A - a game that he is more naturally suited to in my opinion. I would still argue there's more benefit in trying him out against quality opposition despite his record than continuing to plough the **** vein of mediocrity that is James Marshall.

In fact, **** it, it would be more forward thinking to play Ken Rutherford with both arms broken and wearing blinkers than keep giving Marshall a go.

I'd be looking at Greg Hay, Rob Nicol, Brandon Hiini, Tim Southee, Bevan Griggs, David Haupapa, Aaron Redmond, watsisname Flynn and even Matthew Bell before some of the also-rans that have been selected here. We've seen all these guys before and know what they're capable of (and in some instances, we know them to be wholly incapable). Why not take the opportunity to have a look at some the younguns.
13 man squad that should have gone:

Michael Papps
Jesse Ryder
Aaron Redmond
Greg Hay
Rob Nicol
David Houpapa
Bevan Griggs/Gareth Hopkins
Kyle Mills
Tim Southee
Hamish Bennet
James McMillan
Bradley Scott
Neil Broom.

Doesn't have a real allrounder but ours aren't really that great anymore anyway.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Eliott is a solid domestic performer, but I doubt he's good enough with either bat or ball to be an international success.

The lack of middle order players in this squad, given that this is where most of our young talent can be found is particularly alarming. I can rattle off a good number of young middle order players who could be learning from this tour, but no - they send the same old has-beens and talentless wastrels to 'learn'

Scoff.
As a CD fan, I'd be screaming GREG HAY! PETER INGRAM! BEVAN GRIGGS!

As for Jamie How, he isn't even the best opener in his own province. Ingram is. Nothing to do with biasedness, no no not at all

Noticed you've edited my username.:laugh:
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Noticed you've edited my username.:laugh:
Yeah... In shortening the quote, I deleted the 'quote' tags, so did it manually. Wondered if you'd notice ;)

13 man squad that should have gone:

Michael Papps
Jesse Ryder
Aaron Redmond
Greg Hay
Rob Nicol
David Houpapa
Bevan Griggs/Gareth Hopkins
Kyle Mills
Tim Southee
Hamish Bennet
James McMillan
Bradley Scott
Neil Broom.

Doesn't have a real allrounder but ours aren't really that great anymore anyway.
Oooh. I like that squad... Yes I do... And I reckon Southee could be a proper number 8 in the future... A tail of Vettori, Franklin and Southee would be pretty solid, eh!

I actually wouldn't be too averse to sending Ingram on this particular tour. I don't think How has the stones for international cricket, and all the bad times that Ingram has had in his career and the fact he managed to come out the other side last year might show he's got a bit of top-order stickability that we've lacked in the last few years.

EDIT: I'm also very disappointed that there ain't much Wellington talent to support at the moment. Jesse Ryder, Mark Houghton... that's about it really...
 

Flem274*

123/5
Yeah... In shortening the quote, I deleted the 'quote' tags, so did it manually. Wondered if you'd notice ;)



Oooh. I like that squad... Yes I do... And I reckon Southee could be a proper number 8 in the future... A tail of Vettori, Franklin and Southee would be pretty solid, eh!

I actually wouldn't be too averse to sending Ingram on this particular tour. I don't think How has the stones for international cricket, and all the bad times that Ingram has had in his career and the fact he managed to come out the other side last year might show he's got a bit of top-order stickability that we've lacked in the last few years.

EDIT: I'm also very disappointed that there ain't much Wellington talent to support at the moment. Jesse Ryder, Mark Houghton... that's about it really...
Agreed about Ingram there. Living in the same province and seing their games, Ingram looks the better of the two and has real mental determination. He was reduced to playing for my high school first XI last year and belting around teenagers while CD struggled with their top order. Got a recall and then he was away.

Dunno anything about Houghton, whats the talk of the town on him?

Incidentally, how old are these bowlers? I could bear watching the current rubish if I knew this lot were just around the corner.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Houghton's a 22 year old lower order bat and slow-left arm bowler. He's only played a couple of games of 20:20 so far, but he looked to have the goods. Struggles to get selected ahead of Jeets and Luke Woodcock in Wellington colours - he may need to move to get the opportunities he needs.

Southee's 18 - not a real quick, but he's damn good for a youngun. I like his accuracy for a start - he already looks to be more reliable than Jimmy Franklin ;)
 

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