World's Greatest All-Rounder - Poll 5 - Pakistan

Dan · 18-09-2007, 11:49 PM

I will do a series of polls, 1 for each test playing nation (now including Zim and Bangla + a combined associates poll) to see who you believe is the best all rounder of that country. I will then place all of the poll winners in another poll, to determine who the worlds best all-rounder is.

This poll will end in 1 week.
Next Poll: Sri Lanka

SJS · 18-09-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rvd619323

I will do a series of polls, 1 for each test playing nation (now including Zim and Bangla + a combined associates poll) to see who you believe is the best all rounder of that country. I will then place all of the poll winners in another poll, to determine who the worlds best all-rounder is.

This poll will end in 1 week.
Next Poll: Pakistan

I vote for .......

He is easily the best of the "lot"

Dan · 18-09-2007, 11:55 PM

lol, Pakistan doesn't have many decent all-rounders

SJS · 19-09-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rvd619323

lol, Pakistan doesn't have many decent all-rounders

Perm · 19-09-2007, 01:42 AM

Shoaib Malik.

BhupinderSingh · 19-09-2007, 02:05 AM

Shoaib Malik.

Richard · 19-09-2007, 04:07 AM

Once again, impossible. Afridi and Mahmood are both rubbish, Razzaq has retired and hasn't really been an all-rounder anyway for years, Tanvar is barely into the picture, Arafat is an all-rounder about as much as Mark Ealham (though a massively inferior bowler), and Shoaib Malik isn't really that good a bowler, though a very fine top-order batsman.

If I had to vote for one, I'd probably go for Mahmood, which shows how you're scraping the barrel.

Days of Grace · 19-09-2007, 04:09 AM

Surely, Afridi here. His bowling has really come on in the last two years or so. And he does average mid-30s in tests with the bat, remember.

Athlai · 19-09-2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Once again, impossible. Afridi and Mahmood are both rubbish, Razzaq has retired and hasn't really been an all-rounder anyway for years, Tanvar is barely into the picture, Arafat is an all-rounder about as much as Mark Ealham (though a massively inferior bowler), and Shoaib Malik isn't really that good a bowler, though a very fine top-order batsman.

If I had to vote for one, I'd probably go for Mahmood, which shows how you're scraping the barrel.

Scraped the barrel in the Afridi direction personally. Good talent in both areas which edged it for me, no real all rounders here though.

Richard · 19-09-2007, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Surely, Afridi here. His bowling has really come on in the last two years or so. And he does average mid-30s in tests with the bat, remember.

I've explained hundreds of times, though, why said Test average is a misnomer.

Days of Grace · 19-09-2007, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

I've explained hundreds of times, though, why said Test average is a misnomer.

So, explain one more time, please

Richard · 19-09-2007, 05:37 AM

Because Afridi will routinely get dropped after just a couple of poor Tests, meaning that, where most would fail quite a lot and have the average come down, Afridi retains the high average until he next gets picked, when he will either have a few big innings and get the average to go up again, or fail and probably be dropped right away.

There is no way on Earth a Test average of 37 (or whatever it currently is) is an accurate reflection of Afridi's ability. It hopelessly flatters him.

Had he played over a longer period I'd imagine his average would be closer to 25. What would be preferable, obviously, is for him not to have played at all.

Swervy · 19-09-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Because Afridi will routinely get dropped after just a couple of poor Tests, meaning that, where most would fail quite a lot and have the average come down, Afridi retains the high average until he next gets picked, when he will either have a few big innings and get the average to go up again, or fail and probably be dropped right away.

There is no way on Earth a Test average of 37 (or whatever it currently is) is an accurate reflection of Afridi's ability. It hopelessly flatters him.

Had he played over a longer period I'd imagine his average would be closer to 25. What would be preferable, obviously, is for him not to have played at all.

thats just guesswork though isnt it?

Richard · 19-09-2007, 06:00 AM

Not really, no, it's logical deduction.

BhupinderSingh · 19-09-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Because Afridi will routinely get dropped after just a couple of poor Tests, meaning that, where most would fail quite a lot and have the average come down, Afridi retains the high average until he next gets picked, when he will either have a few big innings and get the average to go up again, or fail and probably be dropped right away.

There is no way on Earth a Test average of 37 (or whatever it currently is) is an accurate reflection of Afridi's ability. It hopelessly flatters him.

Had he played over a longer period I'd imagine his average would be closer to 25. What would be preferable, obviously, is for him not to have played at all.

Agreed,no bits & pieces player in last 10 years has disturbed Pakistan cricket team's combination like Afridi & Abdul Razzaq have done.

View Poll Results: Pakistan's Best All-Rounder
Shahid Afridi	15	55.56%
Azhar Mahmood	0	0%
Adbur Razzaq	2	7.41%
Shoaib Malik	8	29.63%
Mohammad Hafeez	1	3.70%
Yasir Arafat	0	0%
Sohail Tanvir	1	3.70%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

18-09-2007, 11:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dan Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,073	World's Greatest All-Rounder - Poll 5 - Pakistan I will do a series of polls, 1 for each test playing nation (now including Zim and Bangla + a combined associates poll) to see who you believe is the best all rounder of that country. I will then place all of the poll winners in another poll, to determine who the worlds best all-rounder is. This poll will end in 1 week. Next Poll: Sri Lanka Last edited by Dan; 18-09-2007 at 11:55 PM.

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18-09-2007, 11:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dan Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,073	lol, Pakistan doesn't have many decent all-rounders

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Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,848	Surely, Afridi here. His bowling has really come on in the last two years or so. And he does average mid-30s in tests with the bat, remember.

19-09-2007, 05:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Because Afridi will routinely get dropped after just a couple of poor Tests, meaning that, where most would fail quite a lot and have the average come down, Afridi retains the high average until he next gets picked, when he will either have a few big innings and get the average to go up again, or fail and probably be dropped right away. There is no way on Earth a Test average of 37 (or whatever it currently is) is an accurate reflection of Afridi's ability. It hopelessly flatters him. Had he played over a longer period I'd imagine his average would be closer to 25. What would be preferable, obviously, is for him not to have played at all.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Not really, no, it's logical deduction.

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