India close in on England

James · 14-08-2007, 05:11 AM

archie mac · 14-08-2007, 05:43 AM

Don't worry the Aussies will put things right this summer (if they can remember how to play Test cricket after all this time)

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:13 AM

Am hoping that the Indians might put the Aussies right TBH.

Seriously, I really, really do believe a repeat in some way, shape or form of 2003\04 is not OOTQ.

pasag · 14-08-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Am hoping that the Indians might put the Aussies right TBH.

Seriously, I really, really do believe a repeat in some way, shape or form of 2003\04 is not OOTQ.

It is imo, because of the one tour match. Just not enough for them to get used to the conditions plus it's at the end of a long season for them and they'll be gone imo. Just rotten scheduling to blame really.

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:18 AM

Though their build-up in 2003\04 was hardly ideal IIRR?

chaminda_00 · 14-08-2007, 06:24 AM

Side are starting to get used to the lack of build up for Test series. Its been like this for 2-3 years and reducing for the last 10 years. Its nothing new these days to play a 3-day match and head straight into a Test Match. Also alot of home players don't play many domestic matches either so you generally find both a slightly less match harden.

Also with the number of matches played these days only new players wouldn't have played on similar pitches. Also with the roads you have these days, there is less difference between pitches around the world. If you have seen one road you have seen them all.

silentstriker · 14-08-2007, 06:25 AM

Australia have better bowling and better batting than 2003. India have similar bowling and worse batting. Kumble is slightly worse, the pace is slightly better (the pace guys didn't do badly in 2003, remember AA?). But the batting is worse.

Combine all that with virtually no warm ups, and 3-0 Australia IMO.

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chaminda_00

Also with the roads you have these days, there is less difference between pitches around the world. If you have seen one road you have seen them all.

Absolutely.

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Australia have better bowling and better batting than 2003. India have similar bowling and worse batting. Kumble is slightly worse, the pace is slightly better (the pace guys didn't do badly in 2003, remember AA?). But the batting is worse.

Combine all that with virtually no warm ups, and 3-0 Australia IMO.

IMO there's not much between Australia's bowling of 2003\04 and now. I'm not so sure about the batting but I wasn't really commenting on that. And as I say, I hope we're on track to see the same Indian line-up of 2003\04 do the same job of exposing an Australian attack.

Clark of 2007\08 is probably = Gillespie of 2003\04. The rest are all untried, as they were in 2003\04. Granted, Tait looks to be a better prospect than Williams ever was, but you never know, do you?

wpdavid · 14-08-2007, 06:36 AM

The fact that England are still 2nd in the rankings shows how flawed the system is, imo. Presumably our position owes much to the wins over SA & Aus in 2005, but we all know how different the current side is to that one.

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:40 AM

I don't think anyone takes the things seriously.

How different it'd be with the real championship (as opposed to ratings) format I'd like I don't know.

Either way, having failed to beat Sri Lanka at home and lost to India, we can not possibly claim to be #2 IMO. Just as we couldn't claim to be #1 after 1971 for the same reason.

Jono · 14-08-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Australia have better bowling and better batting than 2003. India have similar bowling and worse batting. Kumble is slightly worse, the pace is slightly better (the pace guys didn't do badly in 2003, remember AA?). But the batting is worse.

Combine all that with virtually no warm ups, and 3-0 Australia IMO.

Yeah I unfortunately get the feeling we'll cop a hiding this summer. The scheduling has a big part to play, and overall I think Australia are comfortably the more consistent team.

I can see India being quite competitive in a couple of tests, but overall I see Australia winning 2-0 or 3-0 out of the 4 tests. I hope I'm wrong obviously.

Richard · 14-08-2007, 06:48 AM

You could have seen that in 2003\04 too.

Jono · 14-08-2007, 06:50 AM

That's true. I remember plenty of 4-0 predictions on CW (I actually signed up to CW during the 4th test in Sydney, but went back in the tour thread and was astounded at how confident many people were of 4-0).

A hell of a lot will depend on India's seamers IMO. I hope Zaheer isn't driven into the ground with workload. Ravi Shastri mentioned something about him needing a rest soon. I hope he's rested for some of these ODIs.

Manee · 14-08-2007, 07:21 AM

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A hell of a lot will depend on India's seamers IMO. I hope Zaheer isn't driven into the ground with workload. Ravi Shastri mentioned something about him needing a rest soon. I hope he's rested for some of these ODIs.

He is not going to play in the Twenty20 Championship - that is his rest.

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,507	That's true. I remember plenty of 4-0 predictions on CW (I actually signed up to CW during the 4th test in Sydney, but went back in the tour thread and was astounded at how confident many people were of 4-0). A hell of a lot will depend on India's seamers IMO. I hope Zaheer isn't driven into the ground with workload. Ravi Shastri mentioned something about him needing a rest soon. I hope he's rested for some of these ODIs.

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