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    It is possible that Kallis is over reacting but at the end of the day he is a pro and this is how he earns his money and a decision by CSA like this has financial implications to the player concerned.

    Also there is no doubt that ego is involved. Its a new format and noone that is slightly insecure would feel good about being left out whatever the reason.

    CSA may have a point in this but it seems communication has been poor and they seem to have ignored the potent combination of ego and money that helps fuel virtually every top sportsman
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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64 View Post
    Seriously silly of him to think about quitting in a form of the game that doesn't suit him. Besides he's got to worry about the might of the WI after.
    LOL. Now there's a bed and board prospect for Kallis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    It is possible that Kallis is over reacting but at the end of the day he is a pro and this is how he earns his money and a decision by CSA like this has financial implications to the player concerned.

    Also there is no doubt that ego is involved. Its a new format and noone that is slightly insecure would feel good about being left out whatever the reason.

    CSA may have a point in this but it seems communication has been poor and they seem to have ignored the potent combination of ego and money that helps fuel virtually every top sportsman
    Kallis' agent and former South African cricket Dave Rundle has said that part of Kallis disappointment was the loss of a projected R250 000. Although, considering Kallis didn't go to India to accept a similar figure two months ago, I can't see the issue of money being that paramount with the player. As you say ego and the lack of the transparency of it all has probably had the greater effective on Kallis, than the financial implications of missing out.

    Anyhow, his Neil Manthorp’s article on Kallis' omission…
    http://www.supercricket.co.za/defaul...des=sportstalk
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    Yeah wouldn't say it's financial. He'd be pretty greedy to say it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    Anyhow, his Neil Manthorp’s article on Kallis' omission…
    http://www.supercricket.co.za/defaul...des=sportstalk
    I'm glad you posted this because I have been one of the biggest advocates for leaving Kallis out of the squad because of his slow run rate.
    Goes to show what I know!
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    On another matter, Kallis has played under five Proteas coaches: Bob Woolmer, Graham Ford, Eric Simons, Ray Jennings and Mickey Arthur. The only one of those men to have occasionally encouraged Kallis to bat with 'freedom' was Jennings, but even under him the times when he urged caution far out-weighed those when he urged a more aggressive approach.

    In other words, if there was a sentence that best summed up the instructions which have shaped Kallis' career, it would go something like this: "You are our best player, Jacques, you are the difference between a brittle middle order and a solid one, so don't get out!" Now, it would appear, he is being told: "You're too slow, Jacques, and your record proves it." That's even more reason for him to be angry and start "considering the options" for his future
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    The Jennings reference in the article is interesting as he was very unpopular with a number of players and those that ran the game but he was a coach that challenged players to move away from typically stoic and conservative SA cricket.

    Obviously some rebelled against his ideas but he would have been good for the game in SA. Unfortunately it appears he lacked the required interpersonal skills to implement his progressive ideas successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Obviously some rebelled against his ideas but he would have been good for the game in SA. Unfortunately it appears he lacked the required interpersonal skills to implement his progressive ideas successfully.
    wasnt he the guy that made nitini take an ice bath?
    If so, i can imagine why the players would have wanted him out, there is really no need to humiliate people like that. It doesnt get you any respect and you just end up being shown as a bully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostman View Post
    wasnt he the guy that made nitini take an ice bath?
    If so, i can imagine why the players would have wanted him out, there is really no need to humiliate people like that. It doesnt get you any respect and you just end up being shown as a bully.
    ? Fast bowlers and all high impact athletes should take ice baths at the end of a days play. Its essential in recovery. Ice baths are a sportsmans miracle and not taking one is pretty amateurish

    I hardly see how asking a guy to do what any proffessional athlete would do to be humiliating.

    There was an incident with Ntini that was blown out of proportion but does show the lack of people skills Jennings had. Ntini was bowling terribley and he tore a strip off him which was fair enough. However, Nitini then worked his ass off in the nets with the Assistant coach and made a real effort to put things right. His form picked up and Jennings credited it with him being hard on Ntini rather than the work the Assistant put in.

    One probably followed the other so Jennings did have an influence but he failed to recognise the hard work of Ntini and the Asisstant Coach
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt View Post
    Thats Kallis's fault for over reacting.. Not Twenty20's fault...
    Indeed, but if not for Twenty20, which I find exceedingly useless, we would not be having this problem. Kallis is my favourite player and I'm a T20IBS member, so you can see how this situation would really grind my gears.
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    South Africans making a real mess of this issue by now involving Kallis's best friend(and business partner) Mark Boucher as well. I really hope those at the top at SA cricket are capable of eating Humble Pie . Otherwise they are going to lose not one but 2 good players by making a real meal of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    Boucher to face disciplinary hearing after criticising Kallis omission, making detrimental remarks about the 20/20 Championship and a couple of other offences to boot…

    http://www.supercricket.co.za/defaul...cricket/sateam
    According to this article, all he said was that Twenty20s come third in importance after ODIs and Tests, which is, I'm sure, how the huge majority of the cricketing world would view it. Is he supposed to come out and say that this is more important than a Test or ODI series, even though there wouldn't have been more than twenty of these games played internationally? The whole thing is just a bit ridiculous.
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    Nah Boucher said more than just that. Something about hidden agendas and alterior motives and stuff right?
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    @ the whole situation TBH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    Such a big story involving one of the world's best batsmen, which really has little to do with the Twenty20 World Cup, should be moved to Cricket Chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    According to this article, all he said was that Twenty20s come third in importance after ODIs and Tests, which is, I'm sure, how the huge majority of the cricketing world would view it. Is he supposed to come out and say that this is more important than a Test or ODI series, even though there wouldn't have been more than twenty of these games played internationally? The whole thing is just a bit ridiculous.
    I'd imagine given South Africa is hosting it (although if its an ICC event, I suppose the ICC, not Cricket South Africa, are pocketing the dosh), they might be a little sensitive to suggestions that its a dumbed down version of hit and giggle.

    Appalled to see this occurring actually. Kallis clearly takes a deal of pride in playing for his country and being VC seemed to mean a bit to him to. For him to be left out of a squad for a supposedly marquee event like this is a slap in the face, but one that as a professional he'd be expected to deal with in a professional manner. BUT, and this is a big BUT, it also seems clear that CSA haven't been very professional or respectful in their attitude towards him. I can't imagine that if they'd advised him ahead of time that this was their thinking and given their reasons (developing youth, resting for busy schedule, etc) and moreover done so in a way that suggested they recognised how he was likely to feel about it, that he would have reacted this way.

    Boucher's stuff is a bit funny. I absolutely understand why he would be dismayed at this treatment of his close friend and business partner, and why he feels he's justified in making his comments. But I can also see why CSA feels it has to crack down on senior players criticising team selection - if Boucher was captain that's one thing, but I can see where they're coming from - don't necessarily agree over these specific comments, but I can see the principle involved for CSA.
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    Yeah moved. Like Matt, I was quite interested in Boucher's comments re: Twenty20. You'd think that for a big home tournament, the players would be doing everything in their power to increase the hype, not downplay it. As much as I dislike the format, I'd could imagine how CSA would be furious over that (no matter how true it is ).
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