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I think it's still early days to say he's reached high heights already. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the subcontinent for instance.
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Players you thought wouldn't make it.
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Bet his parents gave him a tip or two so he'll be fine
I thought Bracken would be a first choice seamer by now, I remember him impressing the hell out of me when he bowled around the 140s (if you can do that, i'm impressed) in 2003/04 against India
About Clark, when I saw his one day form in his debut, I wasn't impressed at all, but I supported him in his first class days, he really was the 2nd McGrath
I thought Bracken would be a first choice seamer by now, I remember him impressing the hell out of me when he bowled around the 140s (if you can do that, i'm impressed) in 2003/04 against India
About Clark, when I saw his one day form in his debut, I wasn't impressed at all, but I supported him in his first class days, he really was the 2nd McGrath
Ready for it.....Adam Gilchrist 
Before his test debut this is, really didnt think he'd go down to well in the longer form of the game, didnt think his batting was suitable and hadnt seen enough of his keeping to be convinced.
Matthew Hayden, during the 5-0 whitewash of the West Indies he looked dire against (besides Walsh) a very ordinary attack, I thought by the time of the 2001 ashes series Elliott would have his place....he subsequently did well in India and has averaged about 60 ever since.
Shane Warne (2001), now obviously he'd already made it, had 350+ test wickets and was generally regarded the greatest spinner ever, but after his injuries and controversies the previous year and the way he was dismantled in India I thought the end was nigh....
Paul Collingwood, during the 02/03 VB series him and Owais Shah were competing for one place in the world cup squad, and I must admit I liked the look of shah better, had a better domestic record and he was a more fluid, technically efficient looking player than Collingwood, alas Collingwood got that hundred against Sri Lanka and now he's the ODI captain whereas Shah's been a fringe player at best ever since, funny how one innings can have such great impact on two players carears.
Ashwell Prince, when I first saw him he appeared very gutsy but technically limited against the quicks and clueless against wrist spin, spose it dosent take a huge lot of ability to score runs these days though
Before his test debut this is, really didnt think he'd go down to well in the longer form of the game, didnt think his batting was suitable and hadnt seen enough of his keeping to be convinced.
Matthew Hayden, during the 5-0 whitewash of the West Indies he looked dire against (besides Walsh) a very ordinary attack, I thought by the time of the 2001 ashes series Elliott would have his place....he subsequently did well in India and has averaged about 60 ever since.
Shane Warne (2001), now obviously he'd already made it, had 350+ test wickets and was generally regarded the greatest spinner ever, but after his injuries and controversies the previous year and the way he was dismantled in India I thought the end was nigh....
Paul Collingwood, during the 02/03 VB series him and Owais Shah were competing for one place in the world cup squad, and I must admit I liked the look of shah better, had a better domestic record and he was a more fluid, technically efficient looking player than Collingwood, alas Collingwood got that hundred against Sri Lanka and now he's the ODI captain whereas Shah's been a fringe player at best ever since, funny how one innings can have such great impact on two players carears.
Ashwell Prince, when I first saw him he appeared very gutsy but technically limited against the quicks and clueless against wrist spin, spose it dosent take a huge lot of ability to score runs these days though
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Sourav since his comeback....
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Simply as a domestic player, James Hopes. I thought he was completely rubbish for a while - even when he was doing well - but he's continued on his merry way for a few years now.
Paul Collingwood (in Tests). I still remember when Strauss was on paternity leave in Pakistan and I though "oh no. That means Collingwood is back." but it turned out that was the match that kickstarted his Test career. Going further back, Mike Atherton on his Test debut. He just looked so out of his depth - one didn't think he'd be scoring Test centuaries less than a year later. PS - Anderson hasn't made it yet. Two good Tests v India after that SA tour ford NOT constitute "making it" IMO.
Salixiscool
Cricket Spectator
dwayne bravo. Seems to be doing alright now though
I agree, when I first saw him in 01/02 VB series he looked waaay out of his depth
pietersenrocks
U19 Vice-Captain
Symonds-He was averaging mere 23 before the World Cup,but now his average has rocketed and improved in everything.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha. That's because he was. Terrible selection, had a List-A average of less than 20 IIRR, and he was picked as a specialist batsman then too.
Indeed, some even now still have an inflated opinion of his worth, at least in ODIs, IMO.
Completely agree. We've had some shocking selections based solely on potential. McCullum had a List A top score of 56 before the last Chappell-Hadlee... and this is the kind of batsman that are chosen to open the batting in ODIs..?Haha. That's because he was. Terrible selection, had a List-A average of less than 20 IIRR, and he was picked as a specialist batsman then too.
Indeed, some even now still have an inflated opinion of his worth, at least in ODIs, IMO.
McCullum's batting is overrated in both forms, but he 'keeping is quite solid. If he didn't think we was Afridi/Gilchrist, I believe his batting would improve no end in Tests; but, alas, he throws his wicket away trying to force the pace almost every time.
He certainly gives them another dimension lower down the order in ODI's, great player in the death overs, couldnt think of many men more capable of producing a 30 off 15 type innings just when its needed most.
However at this stage Im yet to see him show a whole lot in more demanding situations where he needs to show a little more composure as opposed to the hit-everything-for-six overs.
I would still take Parore over him anyday.
However at this stage Im yet to see him show a whole lot in more demanding situations where he needs to show a little more composure as opposed to the hit-everything-for-six overs.
I would still take Parore over him anyday.
