Giles retires

Steulen · 09-08-2007, 03:42 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cric...nd/6938329.stm

Apparently the end of the road for the Ashes-winning Wheelie-bin

Never one of the highest rated cricketers in the world, but a vital cog in the Fletcher-era England team. A dependable #8 batsman, useful bowler...and showing character too, once every while.

biased indian · 09-08-2007, 03:47 AM

some one whom i never liked..............
may be for bowling on the legside to tendulkar

ya he had a good ashes in england............

and will mostly be remebered for it

stumpski · 09-08-2007, 03:57 AM

Unfortunate in that in his last Test his drop of Ricky Ponting may well have cost England the Adelaide Test. Don't think it would have altered the outcome of the series but might at least have saved us from a 5-0.

And England are still seeking his replacement at # 8.

Matteh · 09-08-2007, 04:06 AM

Saw it coming when he started doing the commentary bits recently. Shame to see a dependable England player and a long-term Warwickshire player have to retire through injury.

age_master · 09-08-2007, 04:06 AM

Can't say im too dissapointed, solid cricket at FC level but never cut it in the tests.

chaminda_00 · 09-08-2007, 04:24 AM

Crap player never should have played so many Test. Any bowler picked for his batting is just dire.

cover drive man · 09-08-2007, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaminda_00

Crap player never should have played so many Test. Any bowler picked for his batting is just dire.

What I was going to say.

ScreaM · 09-08-2007, 04:50 AM

Well he didn't do what he said he would do and get the selectors to choose him over Panesar.

after being replace in the 3rd test at the WACA in the ashes

Steulen · 09-08-2007, 04:53 AM

Not that I'm a fan of Giles or anything, but I think y'all are treating him a bit harshly.

You see the problems England now has with four out-and-out bowlers making up a tail starting at #8. At the very least, Giles was better than a tailender and he understood the importance of hanging around.

Whether that offset his lack a bite as a bowler is up for debate, admittedly.

chaminda_00 · 09-08-2007, 05:14 AM

Meh, Tremlett can bat, so can Plunklett and Mahmood when they put their brains to it. There no reason why they can't pick a bowler who bats if they want. They picked a useless bowler for so long, so why not just keep picking those retards.

pietersenrocks · 09-08-2007, 05:19 AM

wat a poor end 2 a fighting career

Gloucefan · 09-08-2007, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaminda_00

Meh, Tremlett can bat, so can Plunklett and Mahmood when they put their brains to it. There no reason why they can't pick a bowler who bats if they want. They picked a useless bowler for so long, so why not just keep picking those retards.

They can score runs but they not in the same class as Giles with the bat. He knew how to bat well enough when only the tail was left but he also knew how to hang around long enough to back up a genuine batsman. None of the above have that skill yet.

Richard · 09-08-2007, 05:37 AM

My word some people don't have a clue.

Yes, he played many Tests he should not have done, but he was very, very far from a "crap" "useless" etc. bowler. As I've said ad nauseum, on a turning pitch he was usually a real handful, and you can't really ask too much more of a fingerspinner than that.

Giles played his part in successes many times, and to say he'll be best remembered for The Ashes is ignorant too - he played a small part in it compared to the Flintoffs and Joneses.

That he was picked on non-turning pitches so many times because of the "you need variation" rubbish does not, in my mind, reflect anything on him.

iamdavid · 09-08-2007, 05:37 AM

Was a very useful lower order bat (a FC average in the high twenties and a few FC hundreds clearly put him a bit above the likes of Mahmood, Plunkett, Tremlett, etc) and for all the flak his bowling copped...he was between the decline of Phill Tufnell and the rise of Panesar the best spinner in England and during that 5 year period he made the most of what god gave him.

Gloucefan · 09-08-2007, 05:47 AM

Well said.

A crap or useless bowler doesn't have a first class average of 29 and a list A average of 25. No he isn't a fantastic bowling talent but did a very good job for England to the best of his abilities.

His stats reflect the fact that he was asked to bowl defensively on none turning wickets many times. As Richard said, not his fault.

09-08-2007, 03:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
biased indian International Coach Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: office Posts: 10,972	some one whom i never liked.............. may be for bowling on the legside to tendulkar ya he had a good ashes in england............ and will mostly be remebered for it __________________ Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. RIP Craigos Avatar Courtesy Indian team that toured England in 2011 & GF

09-08-2007, 03:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
stumpski Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Medway valley Posts: 5,263	Unfortunate in that in his last Test his drop of Ricky Ponting may well have cost England the Adelaide Test. Don't think it would have altered the outcome of the series but might at least have saved us from a 5-0. And England are still seeking his replacement at # 8. Last edited by stumpski; 09-08-2007 at 06:03 AM.

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age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	Can't say im too dissapointed, solid cricket at FC level but never cut it in the tests. __________________ Member of CW Green Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

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chaminda_00 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Murali CG Posts: 16,304	Crap player never should have played so many Test. Any bowler picked for his batting is just dire. __________________ The man, the mountain, the Mathews. The greatest all rounder since Keith Miller. (Y) Jaffna Jets CC (Battrick & FTP) RIP WCC and CW Cricket Member of the MSC, JMAS and CVAAS

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Gloucefan U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 595	Well said. A crap or useless bowler doesn't have a first class average of 29 and a list A average of 25. No he isn't a fantastic bowling talent but did a very good job for England to the best of his abilities. His stats reflect the fact that he was asked to bowl defensively on none turning wickets many times. As Richard said, not his fault. Last edited by Gloucefan; 09-08-2007 at 07:02 AM.

09-08-2007, 04:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
ScreaM Cricket Spectator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 29	Well he didn't do what he said he would do and get the selectors to choose him over Panesar. after being replace in the 3rd test at the WACA in the ashes

09-08-2007, 04:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
Steulen International Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clydeside Cloggie Posts: 3,189	Not that I'm a fan of Giles or anything, but I think y'all are treating him a bit harshly. You see the problems England now has with four out-and-out bowlers making up a tail starting at #8. At the very least, Giles was better than a tailender and he understood the importance of hanging around. Whether that offset his lack a bite as a bowler is up for debate, admittedly.

09-08-2007, 05:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
chaminda_00 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Murali CG Posts: 16,304	Meh, Tremlett can bat, so can Plunklett and Mahmood when they put their brains to it. There no reason why they can't pick a bowler who bats if they want. They picked a useless bowler for so long, so why not just keep picking those retards.

09-08-2007, 05:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
pietersenrocks U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 527	wat a poor end 2 a fighting career

09-08-2007, 05:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
iamdavid International Debutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,111	Was a very useful lower order bat (a FC average in the high twenties and a few FC hundreds clearly put him a bit above the likes of Mahmood, Plunkett, Tremlett, etc) and for all the flak his bowling copped...he was between the decline of Phill Tufnell and the rise of Panesar the best spinner in England and during that 5 year period he made the most of what god gave him.

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