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India's batting Post Ganguly, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman

Salamuddin

International Debutant
Anyone else think that the batting prospects look pretty bleak for India in coming years ?


I mean, If India's best upcoming batsmen are the likes of Jaffer, gambhir and Uthappa.....I think they are going to have serious problems once the big 4 start to retire.

Even the more established guys like Yuvraj don't look potentially world class as far as test cricket is concerned....
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I mean, If India's best upcoming batsmen are the likes of Jaffer, gambhir and Uthappa.....I think they are going to have serious problems once the big 4 start to retire.
They are all openers, though. We've only had a look at them because India currently have a problem with the opening slot - once which will probably continue judging by their younger players' performances.

We haven't really had a look at the backup middle order though, because the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman have been ever-present and commanding of their positions. There's obviously no way of me knowing whether Raina, Tiwary or any of the others will be any good, but we actually haven't had a look at them, so it's hard to tell.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
In a way, it is similar to what happened with Australia, right?


They had the big boys and a settled line up and we just never knew how good/bad the back up was because those guys almost never got a chance to play. A lot of people (I was guilty of this too) just assumed that the back up won't be good enough at the international level and we just kept saying they will struggle once the Waughs retire and that they will struggle once Marto, Hayden and Lehmann quit... But to Australian cricket's credit, good batsmen have continued to emerge, although whether they are as good as the ones before them remains to be seen.


As an Indian fan, I am hoping the same will happen with India, but as Prince said, there is no way to say anything right now, either way.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yuvraj Singh, Mohammad Kaif, Rohit Sharma, Manoj Tiwary, Robin Uthappa, Suresh Raina, Wasim Jaffer, Gautam Gambhir. All of them have potential, but I'm hardly the most qualified to discuss them.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Rohit Sharma seems to be the most discussed of those names in the stuff I've read.

Whether he ends-up the next Dravid remains to be seen.
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
There's a guy called Cheteshwar Pujara who's apparantly meant to be pretty good and along with Uthappa, Raina,Tiwary and Rohit Sharma the future of Indian batting.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Jaffer, Gambhir, Kaif and Yuvraj are hardly upcoming batsman for India - they are not established but they have all been around for a while. Jaffer and Gambhir are still unproven, while Kaif and Yuvraj still await a real opportunity. The real prospects ...

Opening Batsmen
S Dhawan (Delhi), C Pujara (Saurashtra), T Srivastava (Uttar Pradesh), R Uthappa (Karnataka), M Vijay (Tamil Nadu)

Middle-order Batsmen
V Kohli (Delhi), M Tehlan (Delhi), R Sharma (Mumbai), S Badrinath (Tamil Nadu), M Tiwary (Bengal), A Jhunjhunwala (Bengal), S Raina (Uttar Pradesh), R Shukla (Uttar Pradesh)
 
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SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
Im just surprised India havent tried to bring at least 1 young batsmen into the middle order. They run the risk of losing 3-4 top batsmen in the space of a year or 2 which a side should NEVER let happen.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Why not? There's no good reason except supersuspicion. You don't absolutely need experienced players in a side when newer ones are introduced. Purely and simply, if the new players are good enough, they'll perform. If they're not, they won't. And you won't change that by picking a player alongside someone who's already good.

You just might change it, though, by bringing them in too early because you've some obsession with doing it when it shouldn't be being done. And you'll also damage your short-term prospects as well as long-term ones. Right now, none of the batsmen Akhil (adharcric) mentioned demand selection over the Dravids, Tendulkars, Laxmans and Gangulys. Until they do, they should not play.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Im just surprised India havent tried to bring at least 1 young batsmen into the middle order. They run the risk of losing 3-4 top batsmen in the space of a year or 2 which a side should NEVER let happen.
They have though with Yuvraj. He was injured, resulting in Laxman/Ganguly (take your pick) coming back into the line-up.
 

sohummisra

U19 Debutant
Im just surprised India havent tried to bring at least 1 young batsmen into the middle order. They run the risk of losing 3-4 top batsmen in the space of a year or 2 which a side should NEVER let happen.
I think it has to do with the fact that we haven't won consistently enough to warrant such a change. I think India want to make sure that their present is spiffy before planning for their future.
 

sohummisra

U19 Debutant
I additionally don't think Ganguly, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman will all leave concurrently. I believe Ganguly will be the first to go, perhaps taking Laxman with him. I think Tendulkar and Dravid could last a fair while now. As Sunny was saying during the India-Lions match, "Sachin is only 34. If they come back to England within 4 years and he's not injured, he'll still be fit enough to play." This was in response to a comment that this will be the last tour for the big-5.

As for the future, there are plenty of names going around domestic cricket. Also, given that India's junior levels perform pretty well overseas, we technically should be preparing for a sound future. :P
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Jaffer, Gambhir, Kaif and Yuvraj are hardly upcoming batsman for India - they are not established but they have all been around for a while. Jaffer and Gambhir are still unproven, while Kaif and Yuvraj still await a real opportunity. The real prospects ...

Opening Batsmen
S Dhawan (Delhi), C Pujara (Saurashtra), T Srivastava (Uttar Pradesh), R Uthappa (Karnataka), M Vijay (Tamil Nadu)

Middle-order Batsmen
V Kohli (Delhi), M Tehlan (Delhi), R Sharma (Mumbai), S Badrinath (Tamil Nadu), M Tiwary (Bengal), A Jhunjhunwala (Bengal), S Raina (Uttar Pradesh), R Shukla (Uttar Pradesh)
Ugh, can't beleive I forgot Badrinath.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Frankly, this is not a big issue. The batsmen have spent a lot less time on the field than the bowlers, even though there are six or seven batsmen and only four bowlers.

Not surprisingly, the specialist batsman at six or seven is a do-nothing passenger. Whoever plays at that position has to contribute value by performing in more than one skill, but for India, that has not been the case. In fact, all specialists at six or seven are mere passengers. Any batsman picked at that position, which should actually go to a bowler, has to deputise for the missing bowler by turning out eighteen overs a Test innings and at least seven overs an innings in ODI's. Of course, going by that criterion, you'll find freak solutions, but at least they work.

While the likes of Gambhir and Uthappa are not reassuring prospects, they have a lot of potential and deserve to get an extended run, not just two or three matches and then the drop. Look at the team to beat. The Australians don't drop their newcomers or fringe players so easily. Simon Katich got more than a few chances and finally came good. Likewise, Hussey, who was persisted with despite a slump in form, has ghot good figures. Even Symonds, who was dreadful initially, has now improved a lot, and also adds value with his seam-up bowling.

Repeated chopping and changing will not work. Gambhir and Uthappa may give Indian fans the jitters at times (the conservative breed, repeatedly), but they have the potential, and have had success just below the international level, playing for India A or Board XI. There's no reason why they don't deserve to be played as regulars rather than replacements. As for Jaffer, he may miss out as he doesn't add as much value as these two. Give them an iron-clad, rock-solid assurance of their place in the XI, and you'll get better results.

Yuvraj Singh shouldn't have to wait. He should make the Test XI now! And stay there! He's also doing quite well of late in ODI's. In fact, prolonged Test exposure will also help him in ODI's, his stronger suit.

Ultimately, post-Creaky Ageing Indian Middle Order, this is how it should look, ideally: Gambhir and Uthappa to open. A middle order with Yuvraj, Rohit Sharma, Badrinath and the joker in the pack. Then Dhoni and a bowler who can strike the ball very hard and score useful runs, or maybe two.

This is where the Indian team needs Sehwag and Yuvraj more than ever. These two had settled even as the Sachin-Sourav-Laxman-Rahul combination was still in action. They have to stay on so that the next generation has someone to look up to, fall back on. Not surprisingly, Kapil Dev has exhorted the youngsters in the set - Yuvraj, Dhoni, Zaheer - to step up and get their A-game going. After all, they have to stay on when the next generation arrives, and have to do what the Sachin-Sourav-Laxman-Rahul combination is doing.

Everyone is contemplating the future of the top six. But what about the bottom five? Most teams, even at FC level (even here in India), have a strong bottom five. They provide enough resistance to stretch team totals. They build on chunky scores by the top six and add a knockout punch to push their team ahead. Frankly, that doesn't seem likely of the current Indian bottom five, bar Ramesh Powar, on his day, and Dhoni, who's more or less a frontline batsman.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
It's much more important that the bottom five be able to take wickets regularly though, for obvious reasons.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I reckon Dravid will last the longest out of the lot. He seems to never be injured, as well as being pysically fit.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I hope Dravid goes gracefully, being replaced by the next long term India captain as he retires from international cricket.

I think India have a wealth of talent from those who have performed superbly in Domestic Cricket to replace the big four.

Averaging over 45 in FC Cricket at an age of under 31 are:
- Sehwag
- Jaffer
- Gambhir
- Raina
- Tiwary
- Badrinath
- Hemang Badani

Although having less impressive FC records, these people are also prospects:
- Uthappa
- Kaif
- Yuvraj Singh (still not in the Test side, could replace Laxman)

As for the one day game, many have impressive List A records, here are those with averages over 35 in List A cricket under the age of 30
- Uthappa
- Raina
- Kaif
- Badrinath
- Rohit Sharma
- Jaffer
- Manoj Tiwary
- Sourav Tiwary

But also there are those with less impressive records but still with potential
- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Dinesh Karthik
- Dinesh Mongia
 

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