Long awaited Indian Squad for the WC - Page 3

Andre · 25-12-2002, 10:19 PM

Well, i would have thought that they would play Partiv Patel at 7, with Dravid as a specialist batsmen and Ganguly opening with Sehwag. Atleast Patel is in this squad and the 30.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 26-12-2002, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by masterblaster
Rayadu should be picked, hes averaging 80 in FC cricket and is 16 years old!

How many seasons has he played? Stats can be misleading. However, if he's played at least two full seasons, he should be in there.

Neil Pickup · 26-12-2002, 06:25 AM

He was incredible on tour with India U19s in England last summer.

IMO he should definitely be in the fifteen, if not starting.

marc71178 · 26-12-2002, 07:44 AM

I think pushing in one so young is not such a bright idea Neil, especially if a side is hoping to do well.

Neil Pickup · 26-12-2002, 08:47 AM

It never hurt Sachin, did it?

And yes, I do think Rayudu could be as good as Tendulkar.

Anil · 26-12-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Neil Pickup
It never hurt Sachin, did it?

And yes, I do think Rayudu could be as good as Tendulkar.

I don't think burdening a youngster with such heavy expectations even before he has started his international career is a good thing. Not all youngsters can be as mentally strong as Tendulkar was even if they are as talented.

Anil · 26-12-2002, 02:01 PM

My Indian squad would be:

Sehwag
Ganguly
Tendulkar
Laxman/Mongia
Dravid
Yuvraj
Kaif
Khan
Srinath
Harb
Bangar/Karthik

12th man: Nehra

15th member: P. Patel

Neil Pickup · 26-12-2002, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by anilramavarma
I don't think burdening a youngster with such heavy expectations even before he has started his international career is a good thing. Not all youngsters can be as mentally strong as Tendulkar was even if they are as talented.

But it could also bring out the best in him... I think we probably need to know a bit more about the player before we can come to a conclusion, anyone with a slightly closer knowledge of Indian Domestic 02-03 like to help out?

Anil · 26-12-2002, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Neil Pickup
But it could also bring out the best in him... I think we probably need to know a bit more about the player before we can come to a conclusion, anyone with a slightly closer knowledge of Indian Domestic 02-03 like to help out?

I agree that playing years and years of Indian FC cricket is really not going to hone his skills much except maybe against spinners, but he is just 16. We can easily wait for another couple of years so that he becomes a little more mature and then ease him into the team. It will also show us whether he is a flash in the pan or the genuine article.

Neil Pickup · 26-12-2002, 04:35 PM

16's old enough to be mature enough for Test Cricket in my book. If you're good enough, you're old enough.

Let's look at the youngest Test Match players:
14y 227d Hasan Raza Pakistan v Zimbabwe Faisalabad 1996/97
15y 124d Mushtaq Mohammad Pakistan v West Indies Lahore 1958/59
15y 128d Mohammad Sharif Bangladesh v Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2000/01
16y 189d Aaqib Javed Pakistan v New Zealand Wellington 1988/89
16y 205d SR Tendulkar India v Pakistan Karachi 1989/90
16y 221d Aftab Baloch Pakistan v New Zealand Dhaka 1969/70
16y 223d Talha Jubair Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 2002
16y 248d Nasim-ul-Ghani Pakistan v West Indies Bridgetown 1957/58
16y 352d Khalid Hasan Pakistan v England Nottingham 1954
16y 362d Mohammad Ashraful Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 2001/02

Plenty of those have succeeded, Ashraful even hit 100...

Anil · 26-12-2002, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Neil Pickup
16's old enough to be mature enough for Test Cricket in my book. If you're good enough, you're old enough.

Let's look at the youngest Test Match players:
14y 227d Hasan Raza Pakistan v Zimbabwe Faisalabad 1996/97
15y 124d Mushtaq Mohammad Pakistan v West Indies Lahore 1958/59
15y 128d Mohammad Sharif Bangladesh v Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2000/01
16y 189d Aaqib Javed Pakistan v New Zealand Wellington 1988/89
16y 205d SR Tendulkar India v Pakistan Karachi 1989/90
16y 221d Aftab Baloch Pakistan v New Zealand Dhaka 1969/70
16y 223d Talha Jubair Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 2002
16y 248d Nasim-ul-Ghani Pakistan v West Indies Bridgetown 1957/58
16y 352d Khalid Hasan Pakistan v England Nottingham 1954
16y 362d Mohammad Ashraful Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 2001/02

Plenty of those have succeeded, Ashraful even hit 100...

You do realise that these are a handful and of these, Tendulkar, Javed and Mustaq Mohammed are the only ones who have made a success story of their career, don't you? Ashraful looks a bright prospect, but it's early days yet for him. You just proved my point with your list.

Neil Pickup · 26-12-2002, 04:53 PM

i.e. The ones who had the real talent. The others weren't quite top class yet the ones who had the ability stood up and were counted when the call came, aged 16.

Rayudu is undoubtedly as good as Aqib at least, and possibly on par [or better than (throws oil on large fire)] with Mushtaq and Sachin - so he could well handle it.

The others are players that could well not have made it at any age, so starting at 16 (or younger) made little difference when it came to it.

(And unrelatedly, keep an eye on Talha Jubair)

sheerindianspeed · 26-12-2002, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by anilramavarma
My Indian squad would be:

Sehwag
Ganguly
Tendulkar
Laxman/Mongia
Dravid
Yuvraj
Kaif
Khan
Srinath
Harb
Bangar/Karthik

12th man: Nehra

15th member: P. Patel

This squad has only 3 genuine fast bowlers of which 1(Srinath) is quite old while Khan is injury prone.There is no way India can go into WC with just three fast bowlers in the squad, there should be atleast 4 of them.

V Reddy · 26-12-2002, 10:26 PM

V Reddy · 26-12-2002, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by vishnureddy
These are Rayudu's scores this season.

Mumbai - failed in this match. He got out in two crucial situations

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...12NOV2002.html

Andhra - Broke that record in this match. MSK Prasad ( former Indian Player ) referred to him as the best stroke player he has seen after Laxman.

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...20NOV2002.html

Rajastan - Pretty Average match.

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...30NOV2002.html

Bengal - Had a good match.

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...22DEC2002.html

His one day scores

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...06DEC2002.html

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...07DEC2002.html

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...8 DEC2002.html ( had to a space between 8 and D otherwise a smiley was coming )

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...10DEC2002.html

http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...11DEC2002.html

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25-12-2002, 10:19 PM	#31 (permalink)
Andre International Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 3,112	Well, i would have thought that they would play Partiv Patel at 7, with Dravid as a specialist batsmen and Ganguly opening with Sehwag. Atleast Patel is in this squad and the 30.

26-12-2002, 08:47 AM	#35 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	It never hurt Sachin, did it? And yes, I do think Rayudu could be as good as Tendulkar.

26-12-2002, 02:01 PM	#37 (permalink)
Anil Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tattooine Posts: 9,646	My Indian squad would be: Sehwag Ganguly Tendulkar Laxman/Mongia Dravid Yuvraj Kaif Khan Srinath Harb Bangar/Karthik 12th man: Nehra 15th member: P. Patel

26-12-2002, 04:35 PM	#40 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	16's old enough to be mature enough for Test Cricket in my book. If you're good enough, you're old enough. Let's look at the youngest Test Match players: 14y 227d Hasan Raza Pakistan v Zimbabwe Faisalabad 1996/97 15y 124d Mushtaq Mohammad Pakistan v West Indies Lahore 1958/59 15y 128d Mohammad Sharif Bangladesh v Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2000/01 16y 189d Aaqib Javed Pakistan v New Zealand Wellington 1988/89 16y 205d SR Tendulkar India v Pakistan Karachi 1989/90 16y 221d Aftab Baloch Pakistan v New Zealand Dhaka 1969/70 16y 223d Talha Jubair Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 2002 16y 248d Nasim-ul-Ghani Pakistan v West Indies Bridgetown 1957/58 16y 352d Khalid Hasan Pakistan v England Nottingham 1954 16y 362d Mohammad Ashraful Bangladesh v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 2001/02 Plenty of those have succeeded, Ashraful even hit 100...

26-12-2002, 04:53 PM	#42 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	i.e. The ones who had the real talent. The others weren't quite top class yet the ones who had the ability stood up and were counted when the call came, aged 16. Rayudu is undoubtedly as good as Aqib at least, and possibly on par [or better than (throws oil on large fire)] with Mushtaq and Sachin - so he could well handle it. The others are players that could well not have made it at any age, so starting at 16 (or younger) made little difference when it came to it. (And unrelatedly, keep an eye on Talha Jubair)

26-12-2002, 10:26 PM	#44 (permalink)
V Reddy International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hyderabad,India Posts: 2,550	These are Rayudu's scores this season. Mumbai - failed in this match. He got out in two crucial situations http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...12NOV2002.html Andhra - Broke that record in this match. MSK Prasad ( former Indian Player ) referred to him as the best stroke player he has seen after Laxman. http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...20NOV2002.html Rajastan - Pretty Average match. http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...30NOV2002.html Bengal - Had a good match. http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...22DEC2002.html His one day scores http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...06DEC2002.html http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...07DEC2002.html http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...08DEC2002.html http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...10DEC2002.html http://www.cricket.org/link_to_datab...11DEC2002.html

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