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    My Top 100 Test Batsmen of all-time

    Hi all, I am new to this forum.

    For the last five years I have been working on my own ratings system, constrantly chaning the formula, for test and ODI players. I have finaly settled on a formula. I thought I would firstly display my top 100 test batsmen with you, too see what you think. When I have time, I will explain the formula. Until then, see what you think:

    TOP 100 TEST BATSMEN
    1 Bradman 1447
    2 Hobbs 944
    3 Ponting 902
    4 Tendulkar 874
    5 Hammond 873
    6 Headley 863
    7 Hutton 859
    8 Sobers 845
    9 Lara 835
    10 Sutcliffe 834
    11 Gavaskar 832
    12 Dravid 828
    13 Pollock 824
    14 Mohammad Yousuf 823
    15 Barrington 818
    16 Kallis 807
    17 Weekes 802
    18 Hayden 793
    19 Chappell 787
    20 Walcott 786
    21 S. Waugh 774
    22 Compton 772
    23 Nourse 767
    24 Richards 764
    25 Inzamam-Ul-Haq 762
    26 Javed Miandad 761
    27 Border 754
    28 Hussey 751
    29 Jackson 740
    30 Boycott 720
    31 Harvey 717
    32 Mitchell 699
    33 Walters 691
    34 Hassett 679
    35 Gilchrist 671
    36 Langer 670
    37 Kirsten 666
    38 Jayawardene 666
    39 Sangakkara 666
    40 Azharuddin 666
    41 Flower 665
    42 Lloyd 664
    43 Barlow 662
    44 Cowdrey 659
    45 Mccartney 654
    46 Kanhai 653
    47 Gooch 651
    48 Pietersen 650
    49 Lawry 649
    50 Paynter 648
    51 M.E. Waugh 647
    52 Chanderpaul 645
    53 Younis Khan 644
    54 H.W. Taylor 643
    55 Gower 639
    56 Saeed Anwar 639
    57 Taylor 638
    58 Crowe 637
    59 Boon 637
    60 Worrell 636
    61 Sehwag 635
    62 Morris 634
    63 Greenidge 633
    64 May 629
    65 De Silva 628
    66 Richardson 625
    67 Martyn 625
    68 Thorpe 623
    69 Bardsley 620
    70 Brown 619
    71 Hill 617
    72 Smith 614
    73 Trescothick 614
    74 Hardstaff 614
    75 Dexter 612
    76 Woodfull 608
    77 Hazare 607
    78 Simpson 606
    79 D.M. Jones 605
    80 Trumper 603
    81 I.M. Chappell 602
    82 Haynes 601
    83 Cullinan 601
    84 Vaughan 600
    85 Ponsford 599
    86 Saleem Malik 598
    87 Ranjitsinhji 598
    88 Viswanath 596
    89 Slater 595
    90 Amiss 593
    91 Hendren 593
    92 Vengsarkar 593
    93 Leyland 592
    94 Kallicharran 591
    95 Hanif Mohammad 591
    96 Gibbs 590
    97 Nurse 589
    98 Faulkner 588
    99 J.H. Edrich 587
    100 Mead 586
    101 Zaheer Abbas 586

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    Pretty comprehensive list. Pretty good.

    Of course the question is how did you work it out.
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    My Formula for test batsmen:


    POINTS ALLOCATED: BATSMEN

    Average: x7.5

    Runs:
    8000+: 70
    5000-7999: 45
    3000-4999: 25
    2000-2999: 17
    1000-1999: 10
    500-999: 5

    Centuries: x4
    Consistency in reaching fifty (%): x4
    Centuries per match (%) (CPM): x350

    Less than 25 matches: -5% of rating*
    Less than 20 matches: -20% of rating
    Less than 15 matches: -35% of rating
    Less than 10 matches: -50% of rating
    Less than 5 matches: -75% of rating
    * players after 1970 get 5% taken off their rating if they
    played between 20 and 30 matches.

    Played entire career before 1914: +20% of rating
    Less than 20 matches: -5% of rating
    Less than 10 matches: -20% of rating

    Played part of career before 1914: +10% of rating

    Career interrupted by WWI/WWII: +10% of rating

    South African players: Career ended by isolation

    Played first-class cricket for 5 or more years
    after isolation: +10% of rating
    Played first-class cricket for less than 5 more
    years after isolation: +5% of rating


    Batting example: Sir Clyde Walcott
    Average: 56.68 x7.5 = 425.10
    Runs: 3798 = 25
    Centuries: 15 x4 = 60
    Consistency in reaching fifty (%): 39.19 x4 = 157
    Centuries per match: 0.34 x350 = 119.32
    Final Rating: 786

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    Why do they get a 20% extra if they played before 1914?

    Why do you get more for more runs?

    Its ok i think the list is ok. Eh


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    Quote Originally Posted by Umpire Money View Post
    Why do they get a 20% extra if they played before 1914?

    Why do you get more for more runs?

    Its ok i think the list is ok. Eh
    They get an extra 20% if they played their entire careers before 1914 as there is a general consensus that pitches before the Great War were substandard and hard for batting most of the time.

    I toyed with the idea of points for runs before finally settling on them, as it stops players who have played relatively little tests, but with a high average, from being too far up the list. I guess its a reward for lonegivity of career more than anything.

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    Sorry to sound like the diehard biased kiwi fan here but what is Crowe doing behind some of those other guys?

    Also how did Ponting and Hayden get so high? I'd have thought they'd be a bit futher down.

    Also which Suttcliffe are you talking about? Bert Suttcliffe or the other Suttcliffe? (His first name escapes me atm)

    Good list though, would like to see one for bowlers, allrounders and maybe even fielders? (Not saying you should immediately make one just putting forward the idea)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Sorry to sound like the diehard biased kiwi fan here but what is Crowe doing behind some of those other guys?

    Also how did Ponting and Hayden get so high? I'd have thought they'd be a bit futher down.

    Also which Suttcliffe are you talking about? Bert Suttcliffe or the other Suttcliffe? (His first name escapes me atm)

    Good list though, would like to see one for bowlers, allrounders and maybe even fielders? (Not saying you should immediately make one just putting forward the idea)
    It would be Hubert Sutcliffe Flem, very, very good English opening bat who averaged over 60

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    Looks like a good list except I think Viv Richards should be a bit higher and so should Greg Chappell.

    The only problem I have with the formula is that it seems to over penalise people by giving them less points for scoring less runs and then also taking % off for not playing enough matches which is the reason for the lack of runs.
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    If I deleted runs-scored points, then Weekes would be ahead of Sobers and Lara, and Hussey would be near the top 10. All-in-all, it would screw-up the list big time.

    I have lists for everything except for wicketkeepers and fielders. I thought that I would spoon-feed you them one at a time.

    That way we would have good discussion for one thread at a time.

    I'll send you a new list every Friday for the next month or two.

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    good list...


    But one thing to all guys here who want to work out formulas and stuff to rate players. One of the coolest things abt cricket is you cannot perfectly quantify and rate players and their achievements. One needs to have seen the players in question, their contemporaries and make a qualified judgement upon said players. So, no matter how comprehensive the formula seems to be, it will always end up with a number of errors. Dunno why everyone is so obsessed with finding the right formula for rating players, because the simple fact is, in cricket, such a thing doesn't exist.
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    Yes, you're right. I just do it for a hobby and I have no pretensions that it is the definitive list. But I would rate my list against those of Chula's cricket ratings, and even Wisden's top 100 list that they released a few years ago (now out-of-date IMO).

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    Without wanting to be the curmadgeon I see absolutely no point trying rank exactly over such a large number. There are a million variables that can and can't be considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Without wanting to be the curmadgeon I see absolutely no point trying rank exactly over such a large number. There are a million variables that can and can't be considered.
    No harm in it

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    Well, no, but there's no real harm in going walking in the rain either as long as you get yourself dry sharpish.

    It's just not really something you get much out of, TBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Well, no, but there's no real harm in going walking in the rain either as long as you get yourself dry sharpish.
    . That's getting sigged.
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