The title says it all, were Vaughan's comments about 'Fredalo' fair or not?
Yes, they were fair, and yes they were probably true. But they shouldn't have been made about a team mate, and so I am voting no.
I still maintain that Vaughan's words have been misconstrued and he blames the incident NOT the individual, but I seem to be in a minority.
No, they were not fair. Vaughan is trying to save his ODI job and hence looking for scapegoats for England's failure. Freddie is an easy target now, hence Vaughan's outburst.
Whilst he didn't directly blame Flintoff exactly, it's pretty obvious that it what he was trying to get across. Very dire IMO.
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I certainly think he was unwise to say what he did, even if what he thinks is not completely without justification. I mean, I don't think feeling more free and relaxed would have helped too many members of England's WC squad because so many of them are downright poor (and that includes Vaughan the batsman himself), but I can see how the incident could have made everyone a bit uptight.
I still think Vaughan, as Jim Cumbes said, would have been better to speak to Flintoff about it and not a newspaper.
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True? Possibly. Hell, even probably. But should he have said it? No, no he shouldn't have. Especially not now as the team looks to leave it behind them and move on. Very much in poor taste and poor timing.
The comments were true, but its not a captain's job to be 100% honest in interviews. They don't necessarily have to be robots, but no way in hell should a captain ever air dirty laundry out in public. All he had to say was "things didn't work out in the WC, there were incidents that unsettled the team, we lost games when we were in positions to win them, and some players didn't perform up to standard, myself included, but that's in the past now and our concern is this summer's cricket vs. WI and India."
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Whatever you think as a captain or as a team you present a united front to the media and public unless it is an issue of the gravest concern.
Otherwise it should be all dealt with inhouse. Its fine for Vaughan and the management to berate and vilify Flintoff behind closed doors. However, to the public the team must appear to be a cohesive unit.
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Not sure where I stand on this matter. On the one hand it provided some insight into the pressure the players are under with the constant media scrutiny. Can't have been good for the players not being able to let their hair down at all and must have contributed to lowering team morale. Flintoff should have known better but it was still a mountain out of a molehill. On the other hand, making his observations public was also not likely to be particularly good for team spirit.
I quite like the fact that the likes of Smith, Ponting and Vaughan tell it like it is - it makes it worth reading. Again, I don't agree with him lumping the blame on one for an off-field discretion publically, but equally I don't agree with the notion of the captains just acting like walking media-release-regurgitaters.
What amazes me most is that Vaughan has always been so, so sold on this make-sure-the-team-presents-a-united-front-to-the-cameras stuff. And Nasser Hussain, indeed, was rather skeptical of it at first, saying he was more concerned with what went on behind the scenes than the emphasising it to the public.
It'd be particularly interesting to hear what Hussain has to say about this, if anything.
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