Hypothetical Welsh team

Prince EWS · 02-06-2007, 09:58 PM

Without turning this into another debate over whether Ireland and Scotland should be separate teams again, or even entertaining the thought of Wales doing so in reality, I was just wondering which players in County Cricket would be eligible to play for Wales. Goughy mentioned it in another thread without going into detail, but how strong would this hypothetical (note this Richard!) Wales team be?

Obviously a lot of the Glamorgan players are Welsh, and I'm also aware of Geraint Jones. Who else out there iin County Cricket would be eligible?

Jamee999 · 03-06-2007, 02:21 AM

Simon Jones.

BoyBrumby · 03-06-2007, 03:06 AM

Given how rubbish Glamorgan are currently, not very.

I don't think Geraint would qualify either, despite the Welsh parents. He did his residence in England.

There haven't actually been all that many Welshmen playing for England, despite them having a first-class county. Only really Cyril Walters looks like he might have been of the first water too: Pat Pocock & Robert Croft were both steady-ish finger-spinners; Tony Lewis is better remembered for his broadcasting; Geoff Thomas, Hugh Morris & Steve Watkin were all tried and discarded fairly quickly; Austin Matthews & Johnnie Clay were one test wonders; Jones pere & fils have had injury truncated careers; Turnball & Parkhouse have mediocre records from few games and Allan Watkins has an acceptable average (40 from 15 games) without giving statisticians convulsions.

Apologies to any I've missed.

Fiery · 03-06-2007, 03:07 AM

Alun Evans?

BoyBrumby · 03-06-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiery

Alun Evans?

Not aware of his work, sorry.

HeathDavisSpeed · 03-06-2007, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiery

Alun Evans?

Very droll, Fiery.... Very droll. Mind you, he did score a century for Northerns to win them the final this year. First time he'd done anything of value in his career.

There's a few decent looking youngsters at Glamorgan this year - James Harris who took 12 wickets in a match a couple of weeks ago at the ripe old age of 16 and Huw Waters looks nippy.

I guess David Hemp doesn't qualify as he was born and plays for Bermuda now? Matthew Maynard played for Glams, but he seemed pretty English to me. Adrian Dale was a useful player. Alex Wharf played a few games for England, but I think he was from Yorkshire and moved to Glams when he couldn't get a game.

Richard · 03-06-2007, 03:29 AM

Could pick anyone who had ever had the potential to be Welsh-qualified IMO.

Prince EWS · 03-06-2007, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamee999

Simon Jones.

He plays for Glamorgan so I didn't feel the need to mention him.

Fiery · 03-06-2007, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

Very droll, Fiery.... Very droll. Mind you, he did score a century for Northerns to win them the final this year. First time he'd done anything of value in his career.

There's a few decent looking youngsters at Glamorgan this year - James Harris who took 12 wickets in a match a couple of weeks ago at the ripe old age of 16 and Huw Waters looks nippy.

I guess David Hemp doesn't qualify as he was born and plays for Bermuda now? Matthew Maynard played for Glams, but he seemed pretty English to me. Adrian Dale was a useful player. Alex Wharf played a few games for England, but I think he was from Yorkshire and moved to Glams when he couldn't get a game.

I don't know, that's why I added the question mark...but surely he's good enough to make a taffy team

HeathDavisSpeed · 03-06-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiery

I don't know, that's why I added the question mark...but surely he's good enough to make a taffy team

Oh. Sorry. I'd hope he isn't good enough actually. Didn't a Wales XI beat England in an ODI in about 1999/2000? Who was in that team??

BoyBrumby · 03-06-2007, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

Oh. Sorry. I'd hope he isn't good enough actually. Didn't a Wales XI beat England in an ODI in about 1999/2000? Who was in that team??

Wasn't an ODI, but might've been List A:

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv.../74/74867.html

HeathDavisSpeed · 03-06-2007, 04:01 AM

Wow. They SPANKED England, although they did have Taffy Kallis playing for them... Gives a whole new meaning to a Kolpak player I guess

Richard · 03-06-2007, 04:06 AM

That wasn't a serious game, it might as well have been Duke Of Norfolk's XI.

HeathDavisSpeed · 03-06-2007, 04:09 AM

You can't seriously say that given the 'strength' of the English team put out. They would have been gutted to lose that one. On another question, why isn't there a little '5 nations' tournament in Europe - England A vs Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Holland. I'd watch it, if only to see Ryan ten Doeschate in action.

Richard · 03-06-2007, 04:11 AM

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You can't seriously say that given the 'strength' of the English team put out.

It was just a warm-up, though, that's the point. The Welsh team wasn't a Welsh-qualified one, it was just a random team (with mostly Glamorgan players because Glamorgan weren't playing in that round of League games) under the auspicies of Wales.

England put out a near first-choice team because they were having a warm-up for the NWS.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,658	Given how rubbish Glamorgan are currently, not very. I don't think Geraint would qualify either, despite the Welsh parents. He did his residence in England. There haven't actually been all that many Welshmen playing for England, despite them having a first-class county. Only really Cyril Walters looks like he might have been of the first water too: Pat Pocock & Robert Croft were both steady-ish finger-spinners; Tony Lewis is better remembered for his broadcasting; Geoff Thomas, Hugh Morris & Steve Watkin were all tried and discarded fairly quickly; Austin Matthews & Johnnie Clay were one test wonders; Jones pere & fils have had injury truncated careers; Turnball & Parkhouse have mediocre records from few games and Allan Watkins has an acceptable average (40 from 15 games) without giving statisticians convulsions. Apologies to any I've missed. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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