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    Greatest not to make a Wisden's top 5 list

    Who are the greatest not to make the annual list ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_...rs_of_the_Year

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Who are the greatest not to make the annual list ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_...rs_of_the_Year
    All those non-English players who did not have a great season touring England.

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    When blokes like Robert Key have won the award it kind of cheapeans it. Basically just means for an international cricketer that you had a decent tour in England. I think the Wisden Leading Cricketer of the Year is a more prestigous award. No one will end their career saying "Damn, wasn't one of the 5 cricketers of the year!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    When blokes like Robert Key have won the award it kind of cheapeans it. Basically just means for an international cricketer that you had a decent tour in England. I think the Wisden Leading Cricketer of the Year is a more prestigous award. No one will end their career saying "Damn, wasn't one of the 5 cricketers of the year!"
    Its not a question of how prestigious the award is. Please understand how it is AWARDED in the first place.

    It is awarded to the top five cricketers in the English cricket season every year.. And, of course, you are not allowed a second award.

    So. All those who may have averaged a hypothetical 300 per innings are ruled out if the same was achieved not on English soil. So Gavaskar's 700 plus runs in his debut series in Windies dont count.

    Also those who may scored brilliantly and ON ENGLISH SOIL would be ruled out if they had already won it before. Thats why Bradman did not win it for each of his England tours when he always averaged above 90.

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    I've never placed much stock in the lists Wisden comes up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
    I've never placed much stock in the lists Wisden comes up with.
    exactly...it's a largely irrelevant list to anyone outside of england with fairly stupid rules of not nominating anyone more than once...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
    I've never placed much stock in the lists Wisden comes up with.
    Nor have I. Far too exclusive for mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    exactly...it's a largely irrelevant list to anyone outside of england with fairly stupid rules of not nominating anyone more than once...
    indeed... not being able to be in the top 5 more than once is a stupid rule

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    Sangakkara, Shane Bond ,Makhaya Ntini are just some of the current cricketers off the top of my head who should be there, when you see someone like Ian Salisbury has been named there in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
    I've never placed much stock in the lists Wisden comes up with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    exactly...it's a largely irrelevant list to anyone outside of england with fairly stupid rules of not nominating anyone more than once...
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    indeed... not being able to be in the top 5 more than once is a stupid rule
    They're largely irrelevant to anyone outside England, yes, and I fully understand anyone who is not a resident of these isles not being too concerned with them.

    But the only-being-picked-once thing is not stupid at all. That's the whole point of it - some players would be winning every other year if you could win them multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    They're largely irrelevant to anyone outside England, yes, and I fully understand anyone who is not a resident of these isles not being too concerned with them.

    But the only-being-picked-once thing is not stupid at all. That's the whole point of it - some players would be winning every other year if you could win them multiple times.
    nah, it's stupid. Wisden should have evolved from being an English-orientated publication about 100 years ago

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    It has. Although it shouldn't have about 100 years ago - 70, maybe.

    But there are some parts which remain, having been 120-year traditions. They actually did change them for a short time, then realised what a terrible idea that was, and reverted back while adding a new part to take the place of the debunked change.

    Wisden's primary purpose, though, has been and always will be English cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It has. Although it shouldn't have about 100 years ago - 70, maybe.

    But there are some parts which remain, having been 120-year traditions. They actually did change them for a short time, then realised what a terrible idea that was, and reverted back while adding a new part to take the place of the debunked change.

    Wisden's primary purpose, though, has been and always will be English cricket.
    Which is why I don't bother with it, and which is a shame given that it's so often referred to as "The Bible" (my ass)

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    It is The Bible, though. There is no superior cricket publication.

    No publication is made with all readers around The World borne in mind.

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