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  • Wilfred Rhodes

    6 20.00%
  • Harold Larwood

    17 56.67%
  • Bill Voce

    1 3.33%
  • Clarrie Grimmett

    5 16.67%
  • Bill O'Reilly

    22 73.33%
  • George Lohmann

    12 40.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    Being fast, sexy, and having one amazing series isn't everything. If that was the case Simon Jones should be amongst the greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I love old George, but lets be honest some of his Test wickets against SA are a little 'cheap'. After all at the time the matches were not even considered first class.

    Just about everyone who watched Lol said he was the greatest fast bowler (and fastest) if you discount Jonah Jones who said he could not dint a pound of butter on a hot day

    The list of admirers included 'Fergie' who watched a lot of Test cricket in his time.

    Larwood was only hit for six on two occasions in his entire career. I also feel that his early Test captains bowled him the wrong way, he would often take early wickets but they would continue to bowl him into the ground.

    To sum up I think both Lohman and Larwood two of the all time greats
    I think Bradman influences the publics opinion of Orielly quite a bit. You might well be right about Lohmann. No one says anything about him except that he was fantastic.

    BTW, glad to hear some sense about Larwood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I love old George
    As do I. I am very excited about the recent surfacing of a biography on him by Keith Booth.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    but lets be honest some of his Test wickets against SA are a little 'cheap'. After all at the time the matches were not even considered first class.
    Agreed, but it would be wrong to propose that his greatness was based solely on the exaggerated Test figures that he obtained from his matches against the Springboks. Reading Ralph Barker's excellent piece on him, it is obvious that Lohmann had cause to be revered by the Aussies, too - and, indeed, he was.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Just about everyone who watched Lol said he was the greatest fast bowler (and fastest) if you discount Jonah Jones who said he could not dint a pound of butter on a hot day

    The list of admirers included 'Fergie' who watched a lot of Test cricket in his time.

    Larwood was only hit for six on two occasions in his entire career.
    I'd never heard that one before! Could you cite a source for it (without, of course, slashing open the packaging in which you are presently keeping all of your books)?

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    I also feel that his early Test captains bowled him the wrong way, he would often take early wickets but they would continue to bowl him into the ground.
    Barker believes that they bowled him to his death.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    To sum up I think both Lohman and Larwood two of the all time greats
    It's very hard to argue with someone as diplomatic and, well, so very right as you, Archie. Cheers, mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    As do I. I am very excited about the recent surfacing of a biography on him by Keith Booth.
    That should be good, I have one by Ric Sissons which was very interesting if very short (50 pages)



    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Agreed, but it would be wrong to propose that his greatness was based solely on the exaggerated Test figures that he obtained from his matches against the Springboks. Reading Ralph Barker's excellent piece on him, it is obvious that Lohmann had cause to be revered by the Aussies, too - and, indeed, he was.
    Yes, a great bowler, the best bowler in the world for a few years, until he picked up TB. Also one of the greatest slippers ever



    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    I'd never heard that one before! Could you cite a source for it (without, of course, slashing open the packaging in which you are presently keeping all of your books)?
    I have read it a few times, maybe Bodyline Autopsy by Frith? My books are still in boxes, until I have book shelves built



    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Barker believes that they bowled him to his death.
    A great writer, glad he agrees with me



    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    It's very hard to argue with someone as diplomatic and, well, so very right as you, Archie. Cheers, mate
    Thanks mate
    You know it makes sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    That should be good, I have one by Ric Sissons which was very interesting if very short (50 pages)
    Can't say that I've ever heard of that one.

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    Yes, a great bowler, the best bowler in the world for a few years, until he picked up TB.
    Hmm ... I didn't know that it was tuberculosis. When/where did he contract it?

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Also one of the greatest slippers ever
    Having read a number of contemporary accounts which make reference to Lohmann's work as a slipper, I can't help but notice that his position was usually referred to as "short-slip". Would this mean that he stood closer to the bat than most slip fielders do/did - sort of like Botham?

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I have read it a few times, maybe Bodyline Autopsy by Frith?
    I read it again quite recently, so I don't think so.

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    My books are still in boxes, until I have book shelves built
    Excuse the informal modern vernacular, but that must really suck, dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    A great writer, glad he agrees with me

    Thanks mate
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Can't say that I've ever heard of that one.
    It was a ltd edition, I will be interested to read the Booth offering as Sissons did not seem to have a lot of new information about the great man

    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Hmm ... I didn't know that it was tuberculosis. When/where did he contract it?
    In Sth Afr I think?


    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Having read a number of contemporary accounts which make reference to Lohmann's work as a slipper, I can't help but notice that his position was usually referred to as "short-slip". Would this mean that he stood closer to the bat than most slip fielders do/did - sort of like Botham?
    I think that might just be contemproarie talk, I have a book with all of that stuff in it



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    I read it again quite recently, so I don't think so.
    It will come to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    It was a ltd edition, I will be interested to read the Booth offering as Sissons did not seem to have a lot of new information about the great man
    Digressing, I might say that his collaborative effort on ''Cricket and Empire'' sounds like a superb effort, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    In Sth Afr I think?
    I know that he was sent to South Africa for rehabilitation, following a physical breakdown, and soon had a relapse - of what, though, I do not know.

    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I think that might just be contemproarie talk, I have a book with all of that stuff in it
    Lucky you.

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    It will come to me
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Digressing, I might say that his collaborative effort on ''Cricket and Empire'' sounds like a superb effort, though..
    Read that one not too bad, his best is 'The Players'

    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    I know that he was sent to South Africa for rehabilitation, following a physical breakdown, and soon had a relapse - of what, though, I do not know..
    TB, I am pretty sure, from memory he picked it up on an early tour of SA, but yes he was sent there to recover

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Read that one not too bad, his best is 'The Players'
    Is that the one about the plight of the professional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Is that the one about the plight of the professional?
    Yep

    Won an award I am pretty sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Yep

    Won an award I am pretty sure
    Up for one of those Gmailing Chats again, mate? I'd like to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Up for one of those Gmailing Chats again, mate? I'd like to catch up.
    Crikey! I wrote "chat up" there instead of "catch up" initially! I've been doing a bit too much of the former lately, it seems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    Crikey! I wrote "chat up" there instead of "catch up" initially! I've been doing a bit too much of the former lately, it seems!
    Love to, but just off to a wedding and the wife is telling me to stop playing on the computer

    Tomorrow night would be good, say 20.00 OZ time, let me know via normal email

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Love to, but just off to a wedding and the wife is telling me to stop playing on the computer

    Tomorrow night would be good, say 20.00 OZ time, let me know via normal email
    Cheers.

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