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    Sourve Ganguly is he underachiever?

    i just saw the average of Sourve Ganguly in test matches. it is only 40.86. i thought he is underachiever considering his talent. what do u guys think about this?

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    He has never been a great Test batsman, his weakness against the short ball was exploited by the bowlers much more than it was in ODI cricket, which is understandable given the restrictions on bouncers and short pitched bowling in the limited form of the game. When he was on-song he was beautiful to watch.
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    One of the great ODI batsmen in the 90's and of course his combination with Tendulkar at the top of the order. Bowling wise he at times was a handy partnership breaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    One of the great ODI batsmen in the 90's and of course his combination with Tendulkar at the top of the order. Bowling wise he at times was a handy partnership breaker.

    There I said it.
    Talking about Test cricket here, no doubt he is one of the best ODI openers ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Talking about Test cricket here, no doubt he is one of the best ODI openers ever.
    My shocker.

    Then to the answer to the question then yes he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    He has never been a great Test batsman, his weakness against the short ball was exploited by the bowlers much more than it was in ODI cricket, which is understandable given the restrictions on bouncers and short pitched bowling in the limited form of the game.
    I disagree. If it was as simple as bowling a few Bouncers he'd never have done what he has, and that what he has is considerable. After 54 innings he was averaging over 50. Sadly he was given the captaincy just as he'd had a few bad innings, and that didn't help matters at all, and he then went 2 years and 32 innings averaging less than 23 with just 2 half-centuries. More recently, though, he's been back to a reasonable standard, averaging over 39 in his last 55 innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I disagree. If it was as simple as bowling a few Bouncers he'd never have done what he has, and that what he has is considerable. After 54 innings he was averaging over 50. Sadly he was given the captaincy just as he'd had a few bad innings, and that didn't help matters at all, and he then went 2 years and 32 innings averaging less than 23 with just 2 half-centuries. More recently, though, he's been back to a reasonable standard, averaging over 39 in his last 55 innings.

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    It was a big generalisation, but I think it's fair to say that Ganguly had a flaw against the short pitched delivery that was exploited by bowlers throughout his career. The captaincy issue was a big factor in why his average is so low, quite right.

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    It's got him out a few times and he usually looks uncomfortable against it, but if dismissing him really was as simple as bowling a few Bouncers he'd never have got an average of 50, or 39. Any fool can bowl a few short deliveries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It's got him out a few times and he usually looks uncomfortable against it, but if dismissing him really was as simple as bowling a few Bouncers he'd never have got an average of 50, or 39. Any fool can bowl a few short deliveries.
    Indeed, but it takes a fair bit more to bowl a good bouncer. Just because you pitch the ball short it doesn't mean that the batsman will have trouble playing it.

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    I think he's overachieved, actually. As has been mentioned, he has a glaringly obvious and exaggerated technical flaw that the whole world knows about tries to exploit - yet he has still managed to forge such a good career. Credit to him, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Any fool can bowl a few short deliveries.
    Yes any fool can bowl short deliveries. But it takes skill and effort for a really good bouncer at nose or head high.
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    Hmm.

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    I don't really have the time to argue the case right now, TBH - I have a report to be compiling throughout today's play.

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    Right.

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