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    Vaughan: I was shut off, wheels fell off

    Vaughan has said that he was shut out during the Ashes. Also, that incidents happened which lead to the wheels falling off during the world cup.

    I was never involved at all in the Ashes and I think we could have used me more. I'm an Ashes-winning captain with a huge amount of knowledge on a lot of things and I wasn't used at all. It was made clear that I was to be kept away from the team, and I understood the reason, but there were times when I think I could have helped.


    Then we went to the World Cup ... didn't start well, incidents happened, we really struggled and the coach went. The formula of the team started to get a little bit disgruntled. You talk about the wheels coming off ... they'd fallen off at one point. It's down to us to make sure we get those wheels back on and the only way we'll do that is by getting together as a team, working hard and enjoying the game.

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    Yes Michael, you can moan all you like but you need to sort out your own game before being too critical. Your OD play is diabolical

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    I thought the way he undermined the team by lingering around Australia and popping up in the media all the time was fairly ridiculous, imo. It felt like Flintoff never really had control of the captaincy with the so called 'real' captain right around the corner at every interval. The ECB should have gone further and told him to gtfo of the country, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush View Post
    Vaughan has said that he was shut out during the Ashes. Also, that incidents happened which lead to the wheels falling off during the world cup.

    I was never involved at all in the Ashes and I think we could have used me more. I'm an Ashes-winning captain with a huge amount of knowledge on a lot of things and I wasn't used at all. It was made clear that I was to be kept away from the team, and I understood the reason, but there were times when I think I could have helped.


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    Every time they panned to the Pommie shed for the first test or two, he semeed to be there, and everyone was saying it was bad for them to have him there. Can't have it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    Yes Michael, you can moan all you like but you need to sort out your own game before being too critical. Your OD play has been diabolical
    I think when he says team formula he means the mood in the camp. He's sounding like Cairns and Parore during the Turner regime. Sounds like players had concerns about the team and were ignored.
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    He should have gone home and worked on his fitness. Hanging around the team did more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush View Post
    Vaughan has said that he was shut out during the Ashes. Also, that incidents happened which lead to the wheels falling off during the world cup.

    I was never involved at all in the Ashes and I think we could have used me more. I'm an Ashes-winning captain with a huge amount of knowledge on a lot of things and I wasn't used at all. It was made clear that I was to be kept away from the team, and I understood the reason, but there were times when I think I could have helped.


    Then we went to the World Cup ... didn't start well, incidents happened, we really struggled and the coach went. The formula of the team started to get a little bit disgruntled. You talk about the wheels coming off ... they'd fallen off at one point. It's down to us to make sure we get those wheels back on and the only way we'll do that is by getting together as a team, working hard and enjoying the game.

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    Very un-necessary comments to make in my opinion. Poor form.

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    He was out with the academy squad getting fit, that was the purpose of his being in Australia and not to advise the test side. I'm not really sure what he thinks he could have contributed though. However I can't really recall seeing him much over here, it's not his fault if the Australian press want to interview him.

    When he is talking of incidents I'd wager he is talking of things we already know about i.e. Flintoff's boat trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    I thought the way he undermined the team by lingering around Australia and popping up in the media all the time was fairly ridiculous, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
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    Doesn't really sound like Vaughan to me, I've always thought he was a pretty decent and humble bloke? Maybe the constant injuries are getting him down, which is fair enough - it'd be enough to drive anyone mad. That said, I agree that him hanging around the England camp during the Ashes was bad and that he shouldn't have been around. Can't help but feel a little bit sorry for him though! But I guess I'm just soft...

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Very un-necessary comments to make in my opinion. Poor form.
    My thoughts exactly. I can forgive him 100% for feeling this way, and it pissed me off no-end people banging-on about "he's undermining Flintoff's authority" (err, that would have required Flintoff to have some ITFP...), but... what on Earth does he expect to gain from saying that? It can't do anyone any good, and it certainly can do quite a few people a lot of harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    I thought the way he undermined the team by lingering around Australia and popping up in the media all the time was fairly ridiculous, imo. It felt like Flintoff never really had control of the captaincy with the so called 'real' captain right around the corner at every interval. The ECB should have gone further and told him to gtfo of the country, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Very un-necessary comments to make in my opinion. Poor form.
    Well the team has to realise they hit rock bottom and move on from it. It's no good saying oh we weren't at our best in the World Cup, but we can do much worse than that...

    Generally there was too much apathy, too little professionalism, they need a kick up the arse.

    I really don't see what's wrong with stating the obvious in this case.
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