Your country's all time ODI and test teams?

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

That has got to be one of the most lethal ODI seam attacks ever IMO

One of the most potent ODI bowling attacks that could ever be fielded.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

1. Vijay Merchant
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Vijay Hazare
6. Kapil Dev
7. Vinoo Mankad
8. Syed Kirmani
9. Amar Singh
10. Mohammad Nissar
11. Bhagwat Chandrasekhar

You can swap Bedi or Kumble if the Test is in India, Chandrashekhar if its away.

Mankad > Kapil with the bat. Replace a seamer (probably Nissar) with Bedi or Kumble for home tests - we certainly need three spinners at home.

[JASON]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

That has got to be one of the most lethal ODI seam attacks ever IMO

Absolutely ..Only the West Indian attacks would come close to matching that in lethality.

I would love to see how many batsman would have the stomach to face such an attack.

[Flem274*]

I'm gonna have a crack at the NZ test team, bearing in mind I know very little about pre-1980 test players.

Glenn Turner
Mark Richardson/John Wright
Andrew Jones
Martin Crowe?
Bert Suttcliffe
Chris Cairns?
Richard Hadlee
Ian Smith/Brendan McCullum
(spinner)
Dick Motz?
Shane Bond?

There are definitely other players who should be in there, I just don't know them yet.

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Originally Posted by JASON

Absolutely ..Only the West Indian attacks would come close to matching that in lethality.

I would love to see how many batsman would have the stomach to face such an attack.

Forget stomach, they'd need steel cap boots.

[Matt79]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Looks pretty good. Who's Davidson? I don't think I've heard of him before.

Bevan at four? I'd have it something like

Gilchrist
Waugh
Ponting
Waugh
Symonds
Bevan
Hussey

That's just my opinion though

Originally Posted by Perm

Alan Davidson, the second best left arm fast bowler of all time IMO.



Bevan has very good numbers at 4 if I remember correctly.

Yeah, Davo just edges out McGrath as the 3rd seamer, based on his performances as a bowler and his left-handedness adds another bit of variety to the attack. Add to that the fact that he was genuinely a bowling allrounder (as opposed to a bowler who can bat a bit like a Warne or Lindwall) and a great fielder (he was nicknamed 'The Claw' because of his habit of snatching sharp catches out of the air).

Steve Waugh batting spot in the ODI team is a bit of a poser, I want him in for his solid batting and very handy medium pace and death bowling. But he's not really in Hussey's league as a late in the innings pinch-hitter, and I'd be loathe to deprive Ponting, Bevan or Symonds the chance to have as long as possible to bat. Probably have him at 5 ahead of Symonds and Hussey on reflection...

[Flem274*]

Originally Posted by JASON

Absolutely ..Only the West Indian attacks would come close to matching that in lethality.

I would love to see how many batsman would have the stomach to face such an attack.

I'd do it, if I was paid as much as an Aussie test player. Not saying I'd score any runs though...

[aussie]

Originally Posted by JASON

For Sri Lanka in Tests -

Sidath Wettimuny
Sanath Jayasuriya
Aravinda De Silva
Roy Dias
Kumar Sangakkara
Arjuna Ranatunga (Captain)
Amal Silva (wicket Keeper)
Chaminda Vaas
Rumesh Ratnayake or Ashantha De Mel
DS De Silva
Muttiah Muralitharan

Side looks a bit thin in both batting & bowling if we were to imagine it coming againts opposition all time attacks & batting line-ups. For me Wettimuny hasn't done near enough to upstage Atappatu for the opener spot, Jayawardene is a must & even if Sangakkara has to bat @ 7 Silva or even Kaluwitharana can't make it. I'd also be tempted to have Malinga in at this early stage since he is easily the second best seamer sri lanka has produced and one can easily see him having an excellent career.

I'd go:

Attapatu
Jayasuriya
De Silva
Dias
Jayawardene
Ranatunga
Sangakkara
R Ratnayake/S De Silva - depending on conditions
Vaas
Malinga
Murali

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

I'm gonna have a crack at the NZ test team, bearing in mind I know very little about pre-1980 test players.

Glenn Turner
Mark Richardson/John Wright
Andrew Jones
Martin Crowe?
Bert Suttcliffe
Chris Cairns?
Richard Hadlee
Ian Smith/Brendan McCullum
(spinner)
Dick Motz?
Shane Bond?

There are definitely other players who should be in there, I just don't know them yet.

Ian Smith would be a definite choice over Brendan McCullum IMO. Vettori would probably be the spinner, I'd have John Wright over Mark Richardson as well. Ewen Chatfield and Danny Morrison could be potential fast bowlers in that attack. Fleming and Astle a little unlucky to miss out.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Test:
Ponsford
Trumper
Bradman
Chappell
Harvey
Miller
Gilchrist
Davidson
Lindwall
Warne
Lillee

Morris for Ponsford. Ponting for Harvey. McGrath for Lindwall. Shocking omissions ...

[JASON]

Originally Posted by Perm

I would've slotted Jayawardene in there for Roy Dias who only played 20 Test matches.

Roy Dias played only 20 Tests because SL was deferred from getting Test status for over 7-8 years . He was one of Sri Lanka's unfortunate Cricket generation who were very classy but either never got to play Test Cricket or played only few Tests because Test Status came too late for them...(Others in this Group include Anura Tennekoon, Michael Tissera[SL Team Manager at World Cup], Russell Harmer, David Heyn, Tony Opatha, DS De Silva (long regarded as SL's equivalent of Chandrasekhar), Neil Chanmugam, Ajith De Silva (another Brilliant spinner), Lalith Kaluperuma (another brilliant spinner), Bandula Warnapura (whose nephew is on the verge of playing for SL) etc...)

He (Roy Dias) was regarded for a long time as Sri Lanka's most technically correct batsman ...and was supposedly an absolute delight to watch when he was in full flow ...being a left hander as well. Most Sri Lankans have heard of him and he is still regarded as the best (technically correct) batsman SL ever had .

Despite his few Tests , IMO , his reputation puts him ahead of Mahela .

[aussie]

ENGLAND TESTS:

Len Hutton*
Jack Hobbs
Walter Hammond
Dennis Compton
Ken Barrington
Les Ames+
Ian Botham
Wilfred Rhodes
John Snow
Fred Trueman
Sid Barnes/Jim Lacker - depending on conditions

ODI'S:

Graham Gooch
Marcus Trescothick
Nick Knight
Kevin Pietersen
Allan Lamb
Ian Botham
Andrew Flintoff
Alec Stewart
John Emburey
Darren Gough
Dereck Underwood

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

I'd do it, if I was paid as much as an Aussie test player. Not saying I'd score any runs though...

A couple hundred thousand at the risk of permanent damage? Not saying I wouldn't....actually, I wouldn't.

[Matt79]

Originally Posted by adharcric

Morris for Ponsford. Ponting for Harvey. McGrath for Lindwall. Shocking omissions ...

Not really.

Morris was truly great on a couple of tours of England and otherwise only "good". I'd take Ponsford ahead of him without too much of a second thought. That said, the openers are the biggest raffle in an all-time Aussie line up, any out of Trumper, Ponsford, Woodfull, Barnes, Morris, Simpson, Taylor, Slater, Hayden or Langer have reasonable claims.

As for Ponting for Harvey, it remains to be seen whether Ponting will finish his career with as good an average as Harvey tbh... and Harvey played on uncovered pitches and matting pitches that were, in his words, sometimes not really up-to-scratch. Not saying you're wrong, but I'm going to wait until Ponting finishes before I decide whether he deserves to be ahead of Harvey, or Border, or for that matter Steve Waugh. The fact that I think he COULD end up ahead of them says volumes about how highly I rate the guy though.

If I was going to omit anyone in favour of McGrath, it would be Davidson, not Lindwall. Lindwall was pretty much the complete bowler IMO. Its a toss up between him and Lillee as to who's the best pacer from Australia.

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Originally Posted by JASON

Roy Dias played only 20 Tests because SL was deferred from getting Test status for over 7-8 years . He was one of Sri Lanka's unfortunate Cricket generation who were very classy but either never got to play Test Cricket or played only few Tests because Test Status came too late for them...(Others in this Group include Anura Tennekoon, Michael Tissera[SL Team Manager at World Cup], Russell Harmer, David Heyn, Tony Opatha, DS De Silva (long regarded as SL's equivalent of Chandrasekhar), Neil Chanmugam, Ajith De Silva (another Brilliant spinner), Lalith Kaluperuma (another brilliant spinner), Bandula Warnapura (whose nephew is on the verge of playing for SL) etc...)

He (Roy Dias) was regarded for a long time as Sri Lanka's most technically correct batsman ...and was supposedly an absolute delight to watch when he was in full flow ...being a left hander as well. Most Sri Lankans have heard of him and he is still regarded as the best (technically correct) batsman SL ever had .

Despite his few Tests , IMO , his reputation puts him ahead of Mahela .

I was fairly certain that somebody you would place in a Sri Lankan All Time XI that had only played 20 Tests had his career shortened for some reason. I wasn't too sure about who this Roy Dias chap was, but he was obviously held in high regard by Sri Lankan.s