Your country's all time ODI and test teams?

[Fiery]

Thought about putting JR Reid in there. In the end went with Congdon

Both superb players but Reid much more of a match winner. (You've inspired my new avatar however)

 

[SJS]

Just forget about Walcott and Worrell. Weekes has a shot if Lara opens instead of Haynes. Otherwise, Richards-Lara-Headley is awesome.

EDIT: Holding > Walsh in the test side as well. Imagine that attack: Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, Garner ...

Walcott could make an excellent batsman keeper for odi's, no ?

 

[Flem274*]

Dempster was an opener for NZ. Think he batted 4 for whichever county he played for though. Oh and Bond>Bartlett definately. Bartlett I think is our quickest bowler ever, but his record doesn't compare to bowlers like Bruce Taylor, Chris Cairns etc. Vettori>>>>Petherick as well, despite his test hat-trick on debut.

And you don't have Martin Crowe in that XI.

TBH I can't make my mind up who I want

So many choices....

 

[Fiery]

Dempster was an opener for NZ. Think he batted 4 for whichever county he played for though. Oh and Bond>Bartlett definately. Bartlett I think is our quickest bowler ever, but his record doesn't compare to bowlers like Bruce Taylor, Chris Cairns etc. Vettori>>>>Petherick as well, despite his test hat-trick on debut.

And you don't have Martin Crowe in that XI.

TBH I can't make my mind up who I want

So many choices....

Bartlett's career was plagued with doubts over his action too which apparently personally affected him quite badly and led him to quit the game

 

[JASON]

All well saying it, but up to SL getting Test status, he had an FC average of just 31.42 (and it only actually got over 30 in the English summer before SL's first Test - so would he really have been selected before that point for Tests anyway?

Thats a good average in Sri Lankan domestic cricket . Most top batsmen average around 30-35 in SL domestic cricket.

 

[Flem274*]

NZ;

Dempster
Turner
Jones
Crowe
Suttcliffe
Cairns
Hadlee
Smith
Vettori
Cowie
Bond
Vincent(12th man, fields for whoever the worst fielder is)

Wright
Richardson
B Taylor
Bartlett
Nash(Disapointed he didn't have much of a career, could easily have been one of the best)

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Both superb players but Reid much more of a match winner. (You've inspired my new avatar however)

LOL

*cough* John Bracewell *cough*

 

[SJS]

Reid would have made a fantastic limited over batsman. When I saw him in 1965 he was past his prime but he was an extremely powerful hitter of the cricket ball and played long innings at that rate. Plus he was a superb fielder and a very useful bowler.

 

[Fiery]

Reid would have made a fantastic limited over batsman. When I saw him in 1965 he was past his prime but he was an extremely powerful hitter of the cricket ball and played long innings at that rate. Plus he was a superb fielder and a very useful bowler.

You're dead right SJS, unfortunately he was born in the wrong time but he would have been a terrific OD player

 

[Smudge]

Read a bit about Cowie today actualy. Bradman out for nine!

Turner
Wright
Jones (where's that bloody Tewwy Bwindle!?! )
Dempster?
Suttcliffe
Cairns?
Smith
Hadlee
Cowie
Bond/Bartlett
Petherick

Petherick? Petherick????? All he really did in tests of note was the hat trick. Probably ended up being more respected later on for his lawn bowling talents.

This is my crack.

Dempster
Turner
Sutcliffe
Crowe
Donnelly
Reid
Taylor/Cairns (pretty interchangeable, although Cairns more consistent with the bat, while Taylor provides more bounce and another left-hander in the line-up)
Hadlee
Smith
Bond/Vettori (depending on conditions)
Cowie

 

[Fiery]

Petherick? Petherick????? All he really did in tests of note was the hat trick. Probably ended up being more respected later on for his lawn bowling talents.

This is my crack.

Dempster
Turner
Sutcliffe
Crowe
Donnelly
Reid
Taylor/Cairns (pretty interchangeable, although Cairns more consistent with the bat, while Taylor provides more bounce and another left-hander in the line-up)
Hadlee
Smith
Bond/Vettori (depending on conditions)
Cowie

Very good team that ^^

 

[Slifer]

For the West Indies:

Tests

Greenidge
Hunte
Richards*
Lara
Headley
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Holding/Gibbs (Pitch dependent)
Garner
Ambrose
12th Gus Logie

ODIs

Greenidge
Haynes
Richards*
Lara
Gayle
Lloyd
Jacobs+
Holding
Ambrose
Roberts
Garner
12th Roger Harper

 

[thierry henry]

imo Cairns, Taylor, Hadlee and Reid all have to make the NZ team despite it being a rather ridiculous overload of all-rounders

Taylor is probably the most contentious, but if you look at his numbers, he would arguably make the team as our 3rd or 4th best seamer ever anyway....the team would look a bit wonky on paper but you'd have amazing depth in both batting and bowling

 

[thierry henry]

Something like

Turner
Dempster
Sutcliffe
Crowe
Reid
Cairns
Taylor
Hadlee
Parore/Smith
Vettori
Bond

There are only 4 specialist bats, yet Reid is a good number 5, Cairns is a good number 6, and you go all the way down to Vettori who is about the best number 10 possible, so in the end the batting is still gun. Then you have an absolutely gun bowling attack with a 5 pacers + Vettori. Picking all the all-rounders is the way to go imo, it's like having 15 players in your team.

 

[Flem274*]

Something like

Turner
Dempster
Sutcliffe
Crowe
Reid
Cairns
Taylor
Hadlee
Parore/Smith
Vettori
Bond

There are only 4 specialist bats, yet Reid is a good number 5, Cairns is a good number 6, and you go all the way down to Vettori who is about the best number 10 possible, so in the end the batting is still gun. Then you have an absolutely gun bowling attack with a 5 pacers + Vettori. Picking all the all-rounders is the way to go imo, it's like having 15 players in your team.

Damn good team that, pity that it and all the other teams suggested will never play.

 

[Fiery]

Something like

Turner
Dempster
Sutcliffe
Crowe
Reid
Cairns
Taylor
Hadlee
Parore/Smith
Vettori
Bond

There are only 4 specialist bats, yet Reid is a good number 5, Cairns is a good number 6, and you go all the way down to Vettori who is about the best number 10 possible, so in the end the batting is still gun. Then you have an absolutely gun bowling attack with a 5 pacers + Vettori. Picking all the all-rounders is the way to go imo, it's like having 15 players in your team.

I think you've got the perfect team there thierry.

(Smith=Parore=McCullum for 1-2 more years then McCullum > both)

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Smith=Parore=McCullum for 1-2 more years then McCullum > both

Spot on, that is!

 

[Flem274*]

We've had a great run of keepers have'nt we?

First Smith who was our best ever, the Parore who was our best ever, now McCullum who will be our best ever. Can't wait to see the next guy.

 

[Matt79]

For Aus:
Test:
Ponsford
Trumper
Bradman
Chappell
Harvey
Miller
Gilchrist
Davidson
Lindwall
Warne
Lillee
(McGrath very stiff)

ODI:
Gilchrist
M. Waugh
Ponting
Bevan
Symonds
S. Waugh
Hussey
Warne
Lee
Lillee
McGrath

Geez, stuffed up the ODI team by forgetting about Dean Jones!

Should read:
Gilchrist
M. Waugh
Ponting
Jones
S. Waugh
Bevan
Symonds
Warne
Lee
Lillee
McGrath

 

[SJS]

Pakistan

ODI's:

Saeed Anwar
Aamir Sohail
Zaheer
Yousuf
Inzamam
Miandad
Moin Khan
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar

The bowling is thin with just four regular bowlers PLUS Aamir Sohail. I would bring Imran and reduce one batsman probably Yousuf. If I had to strengthen batting further I would get another allrounder like Intikhab at the cost of Shoaib. Imran, Wasim and Waqar is a good enough pace attack with Saqlain, Intikhab and Sohail providing three different types of spin.

I am not too happy to see a batsman of limited abilities like Sohail as an opener in an all time side that too for a gifted team like Pakistan. But they have always had a problem there havent they.