Brad Hogg as a test match option

aussie · 29-04-2007, 11:37 AM

I know he is 36 (but funny thing is he is probably a 26 year old trapped in 36 year old body), i know that he previous performances in test cricket has not been anything special and i know that his FC record isn't that special either. But based on his performances in the world cup its fair to say that he is in the form of his life. His variations have improved a great deal especially his use of the wrong un (however you spell it) & his control is superb.

Some people may use the argument that his success is based on that fact that the seamers have been able to knock oppositon top orders over most of the time & he has been able to thrive on that. Personally i don't think one can use that fact againts him since that is what most good spinners thrive on i.e even Warne needed that luxury in his final tour of India.

So given that none of the young spinners in Australia have been able to step up just yet & gievn that MacGill's performances for NSW last season wasn't that special, maybe a sign that MacGill is probably losing it with age, i think Hogg should seriously be considered as a test option. Obviously domestic performances will play a key part in selection, but IMO if Hogg can outbowl MacGill at the start of the domestic season he should be given the a go in the test side.

dontcloseyoureyes · 29-04-2007, 11:49 AM

Hogg doesn't even play FC for his state anymore, I find to hard to see how he'd outbowl MacGill without playing any matches.

aussie · 29-04-2007, 12:23 PM

Yes he does, he obviously doesn't play as much anymore due to his presence in the ODI side. Even his few FC games for WA last season were pretty good.

deeps · 29-04-2007, 06:51 PM

lol he's not considered the best FC option in WA. I believe beau casson plays ahead of hogg in FC cricket.

Quite mind boggling really that someone could be right up there in international one day cricket, and can't play for his state side!

EDIT: I can't even see Casson on that list! Hmm..it's been a while since i've followed state cricket

NUFAN · 29-04-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by deeps

lol he's not considered the best FC option in WA. I believe beau casson plays ahead of hogg in FC cricket.

Quite mind boggling really that someone could be right up there in international one day cricket, and can't play for his state side!

EDIT: I can't even see Casson on that list! Hmm..it's been a while since i've followed state cricket

Beau Casson plays for NSW now..

I like Hogg and I've mentioned it before on here, I think he should play if we are playing 2 spinners definately.

Mister Wright · 29-04-2007, 06:55 PM

There could be worse options. MacGill should be the one, but Hogg has proven me wrong and shown he is capable at this level.

deeps · 29-04-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

Beau Casson plays for NSW now..

lol, so Hogg IS their number 1 spinner now?

Mister Wright · 29-04-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by deeps

lol, so Hogg IS their number 1 spinner now?

Aaron Heal has been their first choice FC spinner. Started last season fairly well IIRC, but didn't see many of the scores towards the end of the season, so not too sure if he was still performing well or even still in the side.

social · 29-04-2007, 07:46 PM

Was thinking same thing during final - Hogg is a much improved bolwer, good fieldsman and useful lower-order bat

Whilst, IMO, MacGill has been shamefully treated by selectors over the years, he could be one of those players that never realised true potential due to "wrong place, wrong time"

Natman20 · 29-04-2007, 08:26 PM

Hogg is only effective at ODIs. The thing is that like a few spinners he puts pressure on the batsman to score runs and therefore wouldn't be as effective if he was in a test situation. The same goes for Vettori who is not as effective in tests. I would place MAcGill ahead of him in tests because he worked well with Warne. They could even both play together but I don't think that would be very effective.

Salamuddin · 29-04-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Natman20

Hogg is only effective at ODIs. The thing is that like a few spinners he puts pressure on the batsman to score runs and therefore wouldn't be as effective if he was in a test situation. The same goes for Vettori who is not as effective in tests. I would place MAcGill ahead of him in tests because he worked well with Warne. They could even both play together but I don't think that would be very effective.

Yeah I agree with that......I think with the pressure of having to score runs quickly not around, batsmen would handle Hogg pretty well.

Given Australia's opponents next year are Sri Lanka and India, two teams who play wrist spin very well, I' can't see Hogg playing tbh.

Nishant · 30-04-2007, 02:54 AM

I think Gogg would be good for test matches TBH....but he is 36...you really have to look at how far he will go in a test match career TBH. He is nly ghoing to play a year more if that...its best if the aussies choose someone who is younger and is likely to play another 10 years or so. Its like india would choose Chawla to replace Kumble.

vic_orthdox · 30-04-2007, 06:01 AM

I have heard a few people say that Hogg's variations are a lot harder to pick (specifically the wrong'un) with the white ball, because the contrast between the colours of the seam and the ball aren't as distinctive as with the red ball, so batsmen find him a lot easier to pick in FC cricket.

howardj · 30-04-2007, 06:06 AM

I reckon he's a damn good chance to jag a tour to Pakistan next March.

That's a challenging tour that one.

I don't think they'll care about investing in youth for such a difficult tour.

Goughy · 30-04-2007, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

I have heard a few people say that Hogg's variations are a lot harder to pick (specifically the wrong'un) with the white ball, because the contrast between the colours of the seam and the ball aren't as distinctive as with the red ball, so batsmen find him a lot easier to pick in FC cricket.

Thats pretty interesting. Seems to make sense.

Ive not seen enough of Hogg in FC cricket to make a definative statement on his prospects at Test level, but I would find it encouraging that he is passing the outside edge of the defensive bat in OD cricket. His wickets are not coming just from slogs etc but from aggressively defeating the defensive batsman and that bodes well for Test cricket.

However, it could be how Jack suggests and that this ability to decieve is down to the white ball and will not translate to the red ball.

29-04-2007, 11:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
aussie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cricket Posts: 16,845	Brad Hogg as a test match option I know he is 36 (but funny thing is he is probably a 26 year old trapped in 36 year old body), i know that he previous performances in test cricket has not been anything special and i know that his FC record isn't that special either. But based on his performances in the world cup its fair to say that he is in the form of his life. His variations have improved a great deal especially his use of the wrong un (however you spell it) & his control is superb. Some people may use the argument that his success is based on that fact that the seamers have been able to knock oppositon top orders over most of the time & he has been able to thrive on that. Personally i don't think one can use that fact againts him since that is what most good spinners thrive on i.e even Warne needed that luxury in his final tour of India. So given that none of the young spinners in Australia have been able to step up just yet & gievn that MacGill's performances for NSW last season wasn't that special, maybe a sign that MacGill is probably losing it with age, i think Hogg should seriously be considered as a test option. Obviously domestic performances will play a key part in selection, but IMO if Hogg can outbowl MacGill at the start of the domestic season he should be given the a go in the test side.

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29-04-2007, 12:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
aussie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cricket Posts: 16,845	Yes he does, he obviously doesn't play as much anymore due to his presence in the ODI side. Even his few FC games for WA last season were pretty good.

29-04-2007, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
deeps International 12th Man Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: perth, australia Posts: 1,661	lol he's not considered the best FC option in WA. I believe beau casson plays ahead of hogg in FC cricket. Quite mind boggling really that someone could be right up there in international one day cricket, and can't play for his state side! EDIT: I can't even see Casson on that list! Hmm..it's been a while since i've followed state cricket

29-04-2007, 07:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
social International Coach Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 11,053	Was thinking same thing during final - Hogg is a much improved bolwer, good fieldsman and useful lower-order bat Whilst, IMO, MacGill has been shamefully treated by selectors over the years, he could be one of those players that never realised true potential due to "wrong place, wrong time"

29-04-2007, 08:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Natman20 International Debutant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 2,710	Hogg is only effective at ODIs. The thing is that like a few spinners he puts pressure on the batsman to score runs and therefore wouldn't be as effective if he was in a test situation. The same goes for Vettori who is not as effective in tests. I would place MAcGill ahead of him in tests because he worked well with Warne. They could even both play together but I don't think that would be very effective.

30-04-2007, 02:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Nishant State Captain Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: london Posts: 1,722	I think Gogg would be good for test matches TBH....but he is 36...you really have to look at how far he will go in a test match career TBH. He is nly ghoing to play a year more if that...its best if the aussies choose someone who is younger and is likely to play another 10 years or so. Its like india would choose Chawla to replace Kumble.

30-04-2007, 06:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,363	I have heard a few people say that Hogg's variations are a lot harder to pick (specifically the wrong'un) with the white ball, because the contrast between the colours of the seam and the ball aren't as distinctive as with the red ball, so batsmen find him a lot easier to pick in FC cricket.

30-04-2007, 06:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
howardj International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brisbane Posts: 12,101	I reckon he's a damn good chance to jag a tour to Pakistan next March. That's a challenging tour that one. I don't think they'll care about investing in youth for such a difficult tour.

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