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    Major England ODI Overhaul Needed

    England need to overaul their entire ODI setup,
    There are players in the county team who are much mroe deserving of an odi spot than some which are already there.
    The entire line up is messed up
    Bopara is a much more equipped batsman than flintoff and they send flintoff before him?
    flintoff needs to be in the no 6 slot where england need his power hitting at the end.(time to get over it and not expect him to come in at 4 and play like clarke,ponting,inzi,yousuf and kallis)

    Owais Shah needs a call up and a couple of others cos at the moment englands batting is more feeble than bangladesh's batting.

    Sure they are missing Tresco and Harmy but thats no excuse for some of the big blunders they have made in tactics, batting positions and squad selections

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    England are just a poor ODI team, they can tinker and change all they like, they have been doing that since 1999 and its got them nowhere.. Why would it work now?
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    A new coach is needed. Their mental game needs to change.

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    The fact is, England still go into matchs with a historic approach - why have three 'dabbers' in the top three whilst every other team in world cricket is using big hitters. They need to use the powerplays with someone such as Loye, Benning or even Flintoff. Until the selectors (+ particularly coach) realise this, England will have no consistency.


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    Calling for an overhaul is all well and good but when you think about you can't get past the fact we just haven't got the quality of players other international sides have

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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    Calling for an overhaul is all well and good but when you think about you can't get past the fact we just haven't got the quality of players other international sides have
    Pietersen, Flintoff? Mahmood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt View Post
    Pietersen, Flintoff? Mahmood?
    Vaughan, Strauss, Mahmood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    Calling for an overhaul is all well and good but when you think about you can't get past the fact we just haven't got the quality of players other international sides have
    We do have players with quality but the problem is they aren't in the side/in the right position/performing. Imagine the quality, albeit raw talent rather than experience, of players such as Bopara, Broad, Shah, Panesar and Cook. The qualities there but, as mentioned before, the attitude is wrong. These players are probably the future and there is no end of talent there.

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    Our attitude is wrong?

    What the hell does that mean?

    Those players you mentioned are nothing more than run of the mill players the England produce so many off, they are not going to develop into world beaters.

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    They are the 2nd best Test side in the world, changing anything that might negatively effect their Test ability is ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    Calling for an overhaul is all well and good but when you think about you can't get past the fact we just haven't got the quality of players other international sides have
    NZ don't exactly have a huge pool of quality players! But they do the basics right.

    (Admittedly we suck at 'real' cricket though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    They are the 2nd best Test side in the world, changing anything that might negatively effect their Test ability is ludicrous.
    Totally seperate sides for Tests and ODI's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    Our attitude is wrong?

    What the hell does that mean?
    The fact that Vaughan, Bell and Strauss takes 20 balls to get off the mark. Young players aren't taught the importance of hitting runs from the start. I agree that the players mentioned will just end up as mediocre players if they aren't given the right signals. English cricket is to old fashioned for us to be best in the world.

    Also I don't think that English players getting 10s and 20s in ODIs does anything for 'test confidance' and that dropping them would not have the negative impacts people expect. Having an ODI team made up of young players grooming them for test level may not make us the best ODI team in the world but would give ODI cricket a meaning for England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    NZ don't exactly have a huge pool of quality players! But they do the basics right.

    (Admittedly we suck at 'real' cricket though)
    NZ have a hell of a lot mroe talent than England do.

    That's not a team attitude, that's how they play, KP and Flintoff score quickly, Bell Strauss Joyce and Vaughan score slowly, it's just who they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    That's not a team attitude, that's how they play, KP and Flintoff score quickly, Bell Strauss Joyce and Vaughan score slowly, it's just who they are.
    Well, using them in the order they are being used in at the moment is never going to work (consistently), hence the overhaul. All these players possess talent and (except Joyce) are key members of the Test team. To make the point again, ODI cricket needs to serve a purpose for England, even if it is only to see how a young player fairs in international cricket.

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