Worst Player To...

gettingbetter · 17-04-2007, 01:28 AM

a) Play 50 or more Tests

b) Play 100 or more ODIs

I've seen many posts in regrads to players not being of international standards, so I'm wondering, which players have slipped under the selector's radars and didn't get dropped

a) Many English players; Ramprakash and Butcher just to name two, how they played 52 and 71 Tests, I don't know.

b) I can't think of too many at the moment, I'll come back and update this one. Afridi or Azhar Mahmood maybe? SUre they've had their bright spots, but with their experience, you'd hope for better stats, especially from Afridi

Perm · 17-04-2007, 02:18 AM

Think is, Afridi had and still has the potential to be a very good player. But let's not go into that whole debate, his stats are very poor and do not fully reflect his ability.

Mark Butcher wasn't that bad, and Azhar Mahmood is more of a Test than ODI player. I'm just waiting to see if Michael Vaughan plays 100 ODI's so we can add his name to the list.

gettingbetter · 17-04-2007, 02:24 AM

...for the sake of the thread, please don't mention players from the minnows or players who represenetd a country when they were first established i.e. early NZ, SL and Indian sides.

Mark Butcher wasn't that bad? He is easily one of the worst players for Engalnd in the 90s, luckily, the likes of Bell, Pietersen and Collingwood have come along and ensured that he isn't even in the pecking order anymore.

Perm · 17-04-2007, 02:35 AM

He saved his best for Australia and South Africa, the two best Test playing nations during his time as a Test cricketer. I don't think he was ever really good enough as an opener but re-invented himself as a pretty damn good #3 batsman and made a lot of runs there, against some pretty good attacks too. Most of these runs were made at home though, severly limiting his standing on the international circuit.

pup11 · 17-04-2007, 02:44 AM

Definately my pick as the worst odi player would have to be Afridi, purely because of his inconsistency.

IMO, Any player who plays 50 tests or more for his country can't be too bad a player.

Neil Pickup · 17-04-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pup11

Definately my pick as the worst odi player would have to be Afridi, purely because of his inconsistency.

IMO, Any player who plays 50 tests or more for his country can't be too bad a player.

You obviously never saw Ramprakash...

andyc · 17-04-2007, 03:13 AM

Giles played in 54, he hardly tore it up

Perm · 17-04-2007, 03:15 AM

If Boje played seven more, he'd be a candidate.

_Ed_ · 17-04-2007, 03:18 AM

Boje's retired now isn't he?

Perm · 17-04-2007, 03:18 AM

Damnit, you may be right.

pup11 · 17-04-2007, 05:23 AM

Ramprakash having played over 50 test for England only shows how poor the quality of English side was when he was playing for them.

He would have done well if he would have concentrated on dancing rather than playing cricket.

Richard · 17-04-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gettingbetter

Mark Butcher wasn't that bad? He is easily one of the worst players for Engalnd in the 90s, luckily, the likes of Bell, Pietersen and Collingwood have come along and ensured that he isn't even in the pecking order anymore.

That's complete rubbish, there were countless worse regular players, never mind <10-cap-wonders.

If you seriously think Collingwood > Butcher, well... you're out of your mind.

Richard · 17-04-2007, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perm

He saved his best for Australia and South Africa, the two best Test playing nations during his time as a Test cricketer. I don't think he was ever really good enough as an opener but re-invented himself as a pretty damn good #3 batsman and made a lot of runs there, against some pretty good attacks too. Most of these runs were made at home though, severly limiting his standing on the international circuit.

Disagree, Butcher has always been an opener. If you look at his record he was poor both as an opener and a number-three before 2001, and excellent in both positions thereafter.

Richard · 17-04-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pup11

Ramprakash having played over 50 test for England only shows how poor the quality of English side was when he was playing for them.

No, it doesn't, it shows that he was a very, very fine player who merited many opportunities and actually achieved quite a bit from 1998 onwards.

Richard · 17-04-2007, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyc

Giles played in 54, he hardly tore it up

He did when the pitches offered turn, quite a number of times, actually.

17-04-2007, 01:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
gettingbetter State Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Down By The River Posts: 1,458	Worst Player To... a) Play 50 or more Tests b) Play 100 or more ODIs I've seen many posts in regrads to players not being of international standards, so I'm wondering, which players have slipped under the selector's radars and didn't get dropped a) Many English players; Ramprakash and Butcher just to name two, how they played 52 and 71 Tests, I don't know. b) I can't think of too many at the moment, I'll come back and update this one. Afridi or Azhar Mahmood maybe? SUre they've had their bright spots, but with their experience, you'd hope for better stats, especially from Afridi

17-04-2007, 02:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
gettingbetter State Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Down By The River Posts: 1,458	Also... ...for the sake of the thread, please don't mention players from the minnows or players who represenetd a country when they were first established i.e. early NZ, SL and Indian sides. Mark Butcher wasn't that bad? He is easily one of the worst players for Engalnd in the 90s, luckily, the likes of Bell, Pietersen and Collingwood have come along and ensured that he isn't even in the pecking order anymore.

17-04-2007, 03:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	If Boje played seven more, he'd be a candidate. Last edited by Perm; 17-04-2007 at 03:19 AM.

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Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	He saved his best for Australia and South Africa, the two best Test playing nations during his time as a Test cricketer. I don't think he was ever really good enough as an opener but re-invented himself as a pretty damn good #3 batsman and made a lot of runs there, against some pretty good attacks too. Most of these runs were made at home though, severly limiting his standing on the international circuit.

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pup11 International Coach Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: India Posts: 12,134	Definately my pick as the worst odi player would have to be Afridi, purely because of his inconsistency. IMO, Any player who plays 50 tests or more for his country can't be too bad a player.

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_Ed_ Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Auckland, Aotearoa Posts: 19,111	Boje's retired now isn't he?

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17-04-2007, 05:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
pup11 International Coach Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: India Posts: 12,134	Ramprakash having played over 50 test for England only shows how poor the quality of English side was when he was playing for them. He would have done well if he would have concentrated on dancing rather than playing cricket.

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