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[Richard]

think you are missing the point,



Who on that list (apart from Hooper) would you say is worse than Athers?

Out of the 32 batsmen, Fleming, Malik, Jayasuriya, Langer and quite possibly Mark Waugh, as well as Hooper as you mention, are IMO inferior.

People vastly underrate Atherton's true achievements as a Test batsman. His is one of the most blatant cases of an overall average telling you little about a player.

 

[Richard]

Averaged 46 for his last 22 Tests. So maybe he's just the worst player to play 80 Tests.

Indeed, he actually averaged 42.84 for his last 64 Tests, his average never in that period dropping below 40.94.

Hooper, too, is a little underestimated. His first 38 Tests were abysmal, but aside from one series, most of Stephen Waugh's first 49 Tests were very poor, too, and we all know what he went on to achieve.

 

[burr]

Langer, nah not really true, I'm just bitter he will be go down as a better batsman than Marto when Marto was soooo much more talented. I know i know raw talent means nothing, and i'm very biased

 

[PhoenixFire]

I'd say that Martyn and Langer were just about even as Test players.

 

[Perm]

I'd say that Martyn and Langer were just about even as Test players.

Would rate Langer above Martyn actually, even though I'm a big fan of Marto.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I don't understand what that list proves at all.

Did you read the post that people are responding to? The claim was that Atherton was (aside from Hooper) the worst to play 100 tests. That list is the people who have played 100 tests, so that's the whole point of the comparison.

Mind you, I actually forgot that Fleming has passed 100 tests recently. Atherton is probably better than Fleming, all things considered. Certainly a better player of pace bowling, anyway. Hooper is clearly worse than both of them IMO.

 

[andyc]

Yes, I'd be ashamed to get out to him

Meh. Give someone enough chances and he'll eventually bowl a good ball.

 

[thierry henry]

Lou Vincent for teh 100 ODIs in 3 games time

 

[James90]

Fierce competition between Hooper and Atherton for worst player with 100 caps. I'd say Hooper tbh with honourable mentions to Boucher, Fleming, Kumble and Thorpe.

Gilo the worst to play 50 tests it seems although I'm sure there's many terrible cricketers who have played that much who we just forget.

 

[Perm]

Tough to call Boucher and Kumble bad players, best keeper and spinner in their respective countries by quite a distance.

 

[The Baconator]

That's the thing about playing 100 Tests, you're usually a very good player to achieve that. None of the players to play 100 are bad, they're just not quite as good as the others.

 

[open365]

Fierce competition between Hooper and Atherton for worst player with 100 caps. I'd say Hooper tbh with honourable mentions to Boucher, Fleming, Kumble and Thorpe.

Gilo the worst to play 50 tests it seems although I'm sure there's many terrible cricketers who have played that much who we just forget.

Kumble's the 4th leading test wicket taker in the world, how you can say anyone with over 500 wickets is even close to being on of the worst 100+ players is beyond me.

 

[Richard]

That's the thing about playing 100 Tests, you're usually a very good player to achieve that. None of the players to play 100 are bad, they're just not quite as good as the others.

Exactly, it's a pretty stupid debate really.

In Tests you don't tend to get Afridis and Powells.

 

[Gloucefan]

...for the sake of the thread, please don't mention players from the minnows or players who represenetd a country when they were first established i.e. early NZ, SL and Indian sides.

Mark Butcher wasn't that bad? He is easily one of the worst players for Engalnd in the 90s, luckily, the likes of Bell, Pietersen and Collingwood have come along and ensured that he isn't even in the pecking order anymore.

Pietersen? The guy averages just under 50 and has 6 hundreds and 9 50's in 23 tests.

How is he easily one of England's worst Test players?

 

[Gloucefan]

Fierce competition between Hooper and Atherton for worst player with 100 caps. I'd say Hooper tbh with honourable mentions to Boucher, Fleming, Kumble and Thorpe.

Gilo the worst to play 50 tests it seems although I'm sure there's many terrible cricketers who have played that much who we just forget.

Thorpe? Thorpe was a top class bat.

 

[Perm]

Pietersen? The guy averages just under 50 and has 6 hundreds and 9 50's in 23 tests.

How is he easily one of England's worst Test players?

He meant that Pietersen, Bell and Collingwood have put themselves into England's middle order and all but eliminated Mark Butcher's chances of a recall to the side.

 

[Gloucefan]

He meant that Pietersen, Bell and Collingwood have put themselves into England's middle order and all but eliminated Mark Butcher's chances of a recall to the side.

Whoops

My bad

My apologies too.

Should read more carefully.

 

[prakesh]

50 caps - Obviously Wheelie-bin Giles...by some distance.

100 caps - The ****roach himself, Athers.

 

[Perm]

Both English players, rather interesting isn't it?

 

[prakesh]

Both English players, rather interesting isn't it?

Not really, it's to be expected.