Drop Vaughan, keep Strauss

[Richard]

Nothing more than speculation, and I know.

There is such thing as editing posts, BTW.

 

[Ash_A55]

I know but i was on 299 posts, so i thought ill make a new 300th post.

 

[Richard]

Having "post milestones" is not a good idea, IMO. Especially when you deliberately aim to increase your count and state it in posting.

 

[Ash_A55]

Having "post milestones" is not a good idea, IMO. Especially when you deliberately aim to increase your count and state it in posting.

Yeh but thats in your opinion though.

 

[Richard]

It's in the opinion of a good few people, TBH. And it bothers me far less than it does some.

 

[Ash_A55]

Anyway, back to the topic. I stand by my decision to drop Vaughan & Strauss....If only I was England manager.

 

[Richard]

TBH, you'll not get much disagreement on here!!!!!!!! Almost everyone has been saying for a good 2 years at least that Strauss is not ODI-class; and many people have been saying it about Vaughan for 4 or 5.

 

[Ash_A55]

Then everyone is in agreement. Kinda boring if there is nothing to debate.

 

[Richard]

Oh, there are plenty of things to debate - but that's not one of them!!!!

 

[Neil Pickup]

However Threscothick make a double-hundred today.

50-yard boundary against a bowling attack including a 16 year old.

 

[TT Boy]

Threschothick wont go on any more tours, because his wife sleeps around whilst he's away. That was his 'mental breakdown'

 

[Prince EWS]

Having "post milestones" is not a good idea, IMO. Especially when you deliberately aim to increase your count and state it in posting.

Which this member has quite obviously been doing since he arrived, IMO.

 

[Richard]

To an extent. He's also been contributing constructively at the same time. He's certainly no cdm.

 

[Nishant]

To an extent. He's also been contributing constructively at the same time. He's certainly no cdm.

poor CDM...he just wants some attention!

 

[social]

Alastair Cook is one of the best young players in the world and it's an absolute joke that he's not in the WC team (Richard please dont bring up some meaningless stats portraying his perfromances in the backwaters of sunday leagues - if he's good enough to score hundreds in test cricket against Oz, then he's better than anyone you've got opening in the Carribbean).

He could play for another 15 years and all his omission has done is delay his experience

Unfortunately, Eng selectors have gone back to the bad old days of picking a captain irrespective of whether he's good enough to play. Vaughan is no longer international quality, let alone world-class, and it's farcical that he's allowed to play and fail with impunity.

 

[Richard]

Alastair Cook is one of the best young players in the world and it's an absolute joke that he's not in the WC team (Richard please dont bring up some meaningless stats portraying his perfromances in the backwaters of sunday leagues - if he's good enough to score hundreds in test cricket against Oz, then he's better than anyone you've got opening in the Carribbean).

Believe it or not, scoring TEST centuries doesn't say much about anyone's ability to play ing the ONE-DAY-INTERNATIONAL game.

Yes, the "backwaters of sunday leagues" (not that it's a Sunday league) do confine Test centuries to the realms of the meaningless, given that said games bear far more resemblence to the ODI game than Tests will ever do again.

Cook is, to date, not a ODI player and to pick him for ODIs would be more likely to impede his Test career (as it may well do with Panesar) than to do any good to him in either short or long form.

Unfortunately, Eng selectors have gone back to the bad old days of picking a captain irrespective of whether he's good enough to play. Vaughan is no longer international quality, let alone world-class, and it's farcical that he's allowed to play and fail with impunity.

Vaughan has never been ODI-class. Nothing has changed.

 

[open365]

I would have Cook over Vaughan right now.

Cook has a future, Vaughan has a past that's proved he can't do it, sticking with tried and tested failures isn't doing the team any good.

 

[James]

Threschothick wont go on any more tours, because his wife sleeps around whilst he's away. That was his 'mental breakdown'

If you think that's funny, it's not, so just stop it!

 

[prakesh]

If you think that's funny, it's not, so just stop it!

but is it true?

 

[social]

Believe it or not, scoring TEST centuries doesn't say much about anyone's ability to play ing the ONE-DAY-INTERNATIONAL game.

Yes, the "backwaters of sunday leagues" (not that it's a Sunday league) do confine Test centuries to the realms of the meaningless, given that said games bear far more resemblence to the ODI game than Tests will ever do again.

Cook is, to date, not a ODI player and to pick him for ODIs would be more likely to impede his Test career (as it may well do with Panesar) than to do any good to him in either short or long form.

Vaughan has never been ODI-class. Nothing has changed.

There might be an argument for excluding Panesar from ODIs on the basis that it will affect his natural ability to flight etc but claiming that ODI exposure is likely to impede Cook's test career is nonsense of the highest order.

If anything, it will improve his game for tests as it will help broaden his stroke range whilst forcing him to improve his running between the wickets and fielding

IMO, one of the biggest faults with the English ODI setup is that so many think they have to change their game to suit the format. However, when u look at how Ponting played today, it was absolutely no different to the way he plays test cricket - settled in, ran well between the wickets and expanded his game later all whilst taking barely one risk AND chasing 5 runs per over.

Cook should be instructed to bat normally for 30-35 overs and assess the game from there - taking that approach will help his career and be a vast improvement over anything that Eng is dishing up at present