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    Does anyone agree that Hussey struggels on slow tracks, i think he just can't get his timing right on such tracks,WI game was a perfect example where he played on one ball onto his stumps.


    One thing is for sure he is a tough nut and i expect him to be at his best for more important games like semis and finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    Does anyone agree that Hussey struggels on slow tracks, i think he just can't get his timing right on such tracks,WI game was a perfect example where he played on one ball onto his stumps.


    One thing is for sure he is a tough nut and i expect him to be at his best for more important games like semis and finals.
    Good observation. Most of the times when he is dismissed he either drags the ball back on or plays an errant cross batted shot. Which probably indicates indifferent timing on a sluggish track. Hardly ever nicks the ball in ODI cricket which is quite amazing (Maybe once against Flintoff IIRC).

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    Probably the best innings Hussey has played in an ODI was on that two-paced seamer at Lords in the '05 NWS final.

    He does tend to get out mistiming the ball on slower wickets, but it is worth remembering when he comes in. As good as Hussey is, it's much easier playing on a slow wicket when you can set yourself for a few overs and try and pick up the pace of it, rather than swinging from ball one. Given his temprament and shot selection, I'm sure Hussey could play on a slow pitch as well as anyone if he had longer at the crease, but he doesn't always.
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    Well he did fail in the Champions Trophy and he faced slow wickets there too so there might be something to the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C View Post
    Yes i've watched him bat and he is a remarkable batsman. Just that 40+ happens to be the domain of GREAT ODI batsmen - the Laras, Tendulkars, Pontings,Gangulys, Inzamams of the world and Hussey is not THAT good. He had an amazing start but i think if he has a long career,he'd end up statistically in a tier just below the top bracket (ie, 45-50 in tests, 35-40 in ODIs). And i think that is a fair call because despite the kind of numbers Hussey's posted, i dont think he's done enough to say he'd likely end up in the alltime great zone.
    Its nice to see that you consider Matthew Hayden a great ODI batsman (career avg 43.23) contrary to what you said in the other thread about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mavric41 View Post
    Its nice to see that you consider Matthew Hayden a great ODI batsman (career avg 43.23) contrary to what you said in the other thread about him.
    Yet another Aussie putting words in my mouth.
    Geez.
    Has Hayden had a 'long' career ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C View Post
    Yet another Aussie putting words in my mouth.
    Geez.
    Has Hayden had a 'long' career ?
    I wouldn't exactly call 138 matches particulary short. And please show me where I edited your quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavric41 View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call 138 matches particulary short. And please show me where I edited your quote.
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    what is it with you people.
    So now saying 'putting words into my mouth' = tampering with quotes ?
    It means you are implying something and liking it to me when i clearly did not.

    138 matches in the day and age of 25-30 matches/year is not much really.
    In anycase, by a long career, i mean 200-250 ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavric41 View Post
    Its nice to see that you consider Matthew Hayden a great ODI batsman (career avg 43.23) contrary to what you said in the other thread about him.
    Let's not forget Mohammad Yousuf, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Rahul Dravid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Let's not forget Mohammad Yousuf, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Rahul Dravid.
    And most likely Michael Clarke by the end of his career as well, given he already averages in the mid 40s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Let's not forget Mohammad Yousuf, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Rahul Dravid.
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    And most likely Michael Clarke by the end of his career as well, given he already averages in the mid 40s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    One day averages are inflated nowadays. Discuss.
    Well, higher overall team scores are always going to lead to higher player averages.

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    Yep, which is why it's silly to suggest that players who average over 40 are great and those who average under it are not. And obviously that Hussey's someone who is likely to average under 40.

    Mind you, I think Michael Clarke might end up being a "great" ODI player, while Hayden, Yousuf and Dravid won't. If only because Clarke still has a hell of a long way to go in his career. Sarwan's a possibility too, though not so much on recent form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Mind you, I think Michael Clarke might end up being a "great" ODI player, while Hayden, Yousuf and Dravid won't. If only because Clarke still has a hell of a long way to go in his career. Sarwan's a possibility too, though not so much on recent form.
    I don't see anything that Clarke has that those other guys didn't/don't have. Dravid is comfortably in a different league from Clarke, and I'd say that Yousuf and Sarwan have the edge over him too. Hayden is hard to compare because they're such different players at such different stages in their careers. If anything, Clarke reminds me of the younger version of Yousuf, and I think his career is likely to follow a similar path, at least in ODIs.

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    Clarke's quite an underrated ODI batsman IMO, particularly given that rating. Anyway, the point was simply that Clarke's in his mid 20s and will probably play another couple of hundred ODIs, and given his performances so far, it's not unreasonable that he could end up being a great ODI batsman. Especially given that he's just moved up the order and is playing his first WC.

    Yousuf and Dravid are plainly not. They are good ODI players but certainly not great, and both are more or less at their peaks currently. Ditto Hayden, awesome form aside.

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