Best of the rest?

Craig · 11-03-2007, 04:27 AM

Who do you think is the best batsman/bowler/overall cricketer outside of the mainstream Test and ODI teams (I mean like Canada, Ireland, Scotland, Kenya, Netherlands, or even Namiba

) and could you name an XI (I will do one later)

For many years it was Steve Tikolo, but surely it would be Ryan ten Doeschate, I know he has 20 FC games, but I guess if he were playing in SA were eligible (ie not be a Judas

) for them as well he could be good enough for South Africa (considering some of the players they have picked), but I'm only basing that on his stats without yet seeing him play, so forgive me there if I'm wrong.

Pup Clarke · 11-03-2007, 04:52 AM

IMO a top 5 would be

1.Ryan Ten Doeschate
2.Thomas Odoyo
3.Ryan Watson
4.Steve Tikolo
5.John Davison

An X1 IMO would look like this

Bas Zuiderent
John Davison
Ryan Watson
Steve Tikolo
Ryan Ten Doeschate
Eoin Morgan
Niall O'Brien
Thomas Odoyo
Paul Hoffmann
Dave Langford Smith
Peter Ongondo

Barney Rubble · 11-03-2007, 05:19 AM

I saw Ten Doeschate play for Essex in an OD game last summer, and although his performance wasn't outstanding (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/hamps...h/224921.html), he looked to have something about him.

Was posing problems with the ball despite the odd four-ball, was hustling with the bat in the late overs and was active in the field. Good cricketer.

The_Bunny · 11-03-2007, 05:45 AM

Dwayne Levrock has a case for inclusion....

ODIs 17 886 545 19 /5/53 5/53 28.68 3.69 46.63 0 1 0
First-class 8 2191 956 37 7/57 25.83 2.61 59.21 1 3 1

tigerPassion · 11-03-2007, 06:03 AM

The top 5 would be,

Thomas Odoyo
Morgan
Tikolo
Ryan Ten Doeschate
Ravindu Shah

Poker Boy · 11-03-2007, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Bunny

Dwayne Levrock has a case for inclusion....

ODIs 17 886 545 19 /5/53 5/53 28.68 3.69 46.63 0 1 0
First-class 8 2191 956 37 7/57 25.83 2.61 59.21 1 3 1

I'm just curious - having been denied the pleasure of seeing him bat against England what's his batting like? I imagine he could hit the ball a long way - but I'd love to see him bat with Inzy...to watch those two running a quick single....

Jungle Jumbo · 11-03-2007, 07:07 AM

Bowling wise, I've not seen much of either, but Odoyo is more of a strike bowler than ten Doeschate (sp?), who plays as a fourth or fifth seamer in the Essex side.

Tikolo, Odoyo and Shah would have been good enough to play for several other ODI sides at the peak of their careers. Tikolo in particular, had he had the exposure.

steds · 11-03-2007, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Bunny

Dwayne Levrock has a case for inclusion....

ODIs 17 886 545 19 /5/53 5/53 28.68 3.69 46.63 0 1 0
First-class 8 2191 956 37 7/57 25.83 2.61 59.21 1 3 1

Although all of the above stats have come against associate nations, you have a point.

Watson and Ten Doeschate would be right up there, I imagine.

Tomm NCCC · 11-03-2007, 08:58 AM

My top 5 would be

1. John Davison (obviously)
2. Odoyo
3. Doeschate
4. Will Porterfield (Ireland, has an average of 70 doesnt he?)
5. Ryan Watson

Jungle Jumbo · 11-03-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomm NCCC

My top 5 would be

1. John Davison (obviously)
2. Odoyo
3. Doeschate
4. Will Porterfield (Ireland, has an average of 70 doesnt he?)
5. Ryan Watson

Surely you can't rate the bottom two above Shah and Tikolo, even though they are getting on in the years. Davison's batting hasn't been quite as impressive over the last year or so either (prepares to be buried under a deluge of hundreds).

Sir Don Bradman · 12-03-2007, 12:33 AM

Ten Doeschate is my number 1

vic_orthdox · 12-03-2007, 12:39 AM

Davison I don't think can be number 1, others are more proven as FC cricketers.

FRAZ · 12-03-2007, 12:42 AM

I guess that it is a shame when we forget the Netherland's captain .

Tomm NCCC · 12-03-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Davison I don't think can be number 1, others are more proven as FC cricketers.

No worries, my lists never have any chronological order. wouldnt dream of rating Doeschate below Davison

AussieDominance · 14-03-2007, 01:04 AM

Niall O'Brien has to be up there.

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Barney Rubble International Coach Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All over the shop Posts: 10,191	I saw Ten Doeschate play for Essex in an OD game last summer, and although his performance wasn't outstanding (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/hamps...h/224921.html), he looked to have something about him. Was posing problems with the ball despite the odd four-ball, was hustling with the bat in the late overs and was active in the field. Good cricketer.

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The_Bunny First Class Debutant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 865	Dwayne Levrock has a case for inclusion.... ODIs 17 886 545 19 /5/53 5/53 28.68 3.69 46.63 0 1 0 First-class 8 2191 956 37 7/57 25.83 2.61 59.21 1 3 1

11-03-2007, 06:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
tigerPassion School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 104	The top 5 would be, Thomas Odoyo Morgan Tikolo Ryan Ten Doeschate Ravindu Shah

11-03-2007, 07:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jungle Jumbo International Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 4,898	Bowling wise, I've not seen much of either, but Odoyo is more of a strike bowler than ten Doeschate (sp?), who plays as a fourth or fifth seamer in the Essex side. Tikolo, Odoyo and Shah would have been good enough to play for several other ODI sides at the peak of their careers. Tikolo in particular, had he had the exposure.

12-03-2007, 12:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sir Don Bradman Cricket Spectator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 30	Ten Doeschate is my number 1

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vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,370	Davison I don't think can be number 1, others are more proven as FC cricketers.

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AussieDominance Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,746	Niall O'Brien has to be up there.

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