thierry henry
International Coach
Horne and Latham earn a mention based on playing plenty of matches and averaging 20 with a crappy strike rate. I think Richardson could have reached the same heights if he'd been given 50 games like Horne.
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Worst Aussie ODI 11 EVER
- Thread starter armchairumpire
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pup11
International Coach
I think naming someone like White on that list even before he has established himself in international cricket is pretty dumb, if you guys just look at the 1st half of Symonds's career its pretty evident that he had a much worse start to his career than White, but today Symo is one of the best odi cricketers going around and he can easily force his way into any Odi World XI side.
IMO, just give White some time and he would come good.
IMO, just give White some time and he would come good.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
My NZ team - as selected from here - is:
David White
Mark Richardson
Mark Douglas
Mark Bailey
Paul McEwan
Peter Webb
Ron Hart
Andrew Penn - gotta be the opening bowler with an average of 201.
Stu Roberts
Warren Wisneski
David O'Sullivan - apparently so slow in the field, the batsmen once ran a five to him (while his team mates were begging for him to knock the ball over the boundary on purpose)
12th man - Roydon Hayes
It seems it pays not to be named "Mark" if you're a cricketer in NZ. Bearing in mind I could have thrown Mark Haslam or Mark Priest in there as the spinner.
David White
Mark Richardson
Mark Douglas
Mark Bailey
Paul McEwan
Peter Webb
Ron Hart
Andrew Penn - gotta be the opening bowler with an average of 201.
Stu Roberts
Warren Wisneski
David O'Sullivan - apparently so slow in the field, the batsmen once ran a five to him (while his team mates were begging for him to knock the ball over the boundary on purpose)
12th man - Roydon Hayes
It seems it pays not to be named "Mark" if you're a cricketer in NZ. Bearing in mind I could have thrown Mark Haslam or Mark Priest in there as the spinner.
Fiery
Banned
Admittedly, their averages were not great but strike rates have increased quite dramatically, particularly since Latham's days. I think a lot of good openers around his time would have had <60 strike rates, Geoff Marsh is a good example with a strike rate of 55 who was considered a very good OD player. I can think of plenty of worse players to have worn the Black (or Beige) cap though than Horne and Latham tbh.
Fiery
Banned
That's a pretty sh1t team alright Voltman
armchairumpire
U19 Cricketer
Volty
The only one I have heard of from the NZ worst 11 is Mark Richardson. Obviously his cricket is as bad as his commentary!
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
By matches: 1474 runs @ 32.75 & 56 wickets @ 34.06
By time: 750 runs @ 25.86 & 43 wickets @ 30.97
Fail to see how that is worse than: 157 runs @ 22.42 & 4 wickets @ 50.25?
James
Cricket Web Owner
Don't avoid the filter please.That's a pretty sh1t team alright Voltman
Fiery
Banned
Sorry James
Alan Thomson - would've only played in 1 one-dayer in 70/71 but was a hack anyway
Build a team around him using players from Packer era and 84-85
Pretty much anyone outside those times had to be a decent player just to get into the squad (Mick Lewis excepted of course)
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
At this rate, by the time he makes 750 runs (and why use that as a target and not, say 250 or 500?), he'll have 24 wickets (!)
Still doesn't answer how his figures are better than either of the Symonds...
pup11
International Coach
IMO the problem with White is that most of the Australians (mainly Victorians) were expecting White to be Warney's replacement.
But White was never a leggie of Warney's pedigree (his bowling was [is] more in the Kumble mould)
Due to the burden of all those expectations i think White has concentrated more towards his batting then his bowling, but in all fairness with some more hard-work he can certainly bowl decent overs in odi's like Symo.
But White was never a leggie of Warney's pedigree (his bowling was [is] more in the Kumble mould)
Due to the burden of all those expectations i think White has concentrated more towards his batting then his bowling, but in all fairness with some more hard-work he can certainly bowl decent overs in odi's like Symo.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
First three games he played as super-sub, where he bowled a total of 3 overs and was used pretty much as a specialist fieldsman.
Brad Young in for the Australian side?
Barney Rubble
International Coach
Cameron White = new Andrew Symonds. Don't put him in there. As soon as the Aussie coaches ditch the notion that he's an all-rounder and start batting him where he deserves, you'll reap the benefits. Cleanest hitter of a cricket ball I've ever seen.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
You were in Australia at the time?
Should point out though that there is a sense of disappointment about the ineffectiveness of White's bowling, considering that it seems to have been much more effective when he was younger.
armchairumpire
U19 Cricketer
When I was working out my 11 the hardest thing I found in making my choices was that I had too many players who had played over 10 years ago, and most of you guys would not have seen them or know of their reputations (or lack of reputation).
Graeme Beard was on my reserve list.
My reserve Captain was Dirk Wellham. He was the one who knocked out a gate attendent on his way out to bat at a first class match. Of course the cameras got it all - very funny to watch. Not so funny for the gate attendent.