Best Indian 15 outside the World Cup 15

[ramkumar_gr]

Gautham Gambhir
Swapnil Asnodkar/Barrington Rowland
VVS Laxman
C Raghu
Hemang Badani
Cheteswar Pujara
S Badrinath
Joginder Sharma
Ramesh Powar
JP Yadav/Praveen Kumar
P Ohja
VRV Singh
RP Singh
Abid Nabi
Rakesh Patel

[pup11]

Suprising to see no Mohd. kaif, dinesh mongia, piyush chawla, v.rao, ranadeep bose, s.raina on that list.

[adharcric]

Asnodkar? Rowland? Raghu? Nabi? Patel? Not now.

[Arjun]

Originally Posted by adharcric

Asnodkar? Rowland? Raghu? Nabi? Patel? Not now.

Asnodkar's a quota player and nothing more. That he's been in the runs is just a freak event. Rowland is just one too many, too old and nothing special. Given the so-called spin options, who are not options at all, Raghu has a chance. The Indians still have a problem putting together a pace attack, so Nabi isn't out. Rakesh Patel is also an interesting choice.

As for the rest of the squad, I'd say Joginder Sharma is a good choice. JP Yadav is now past it, and won't make the next World Cup probables list, and Praveen Kumar is outperforming him. Powar is one in this 15 who should have been in the first 15. Ojha hasn't had any major success, and is on par with Nadeem and SS Singh. Laxman and Badani are past it. Kaif, Raina and Chawla miss out here.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by pup11

Suprising to see no Mohd. kaif, dinesh mongia, piyush chawla, v.rao, ranadeep bose, s.raina on that list.

Not really, Rao and Raina were given umpteen chances and blew most of 'em (Raina at least will almost certainly be back, obviously), Mongia is just rubbish in ODIs and always has been, Chawla's, what, 18, and Kaif's been given almost as many chances as Mongia and done almost as badly.

And I haven't even heard of Ranadeep Bose... who wasn't on that list.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Arjun

The Indians still have a problem putting together a pace attack, so Nabi isn't out.

Abid Nabi hasn't exactly set the domestic scene on fire in recent times, not even the Plate League. Hopefully that changes soon.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Richard

Not really, Rao and Raina were given umpteen chances and blew most of 'em (Raina at least will almost certainly be back, obviously), Mongia is just rubbish in ODIs and always has been, Chawla's, what, 18, and Kaif's been given almost as many chances as Mongia and done almost as badly.

And I haven't even heard of Ranadeep Bose... who wasn't on that list.

Kaif is truly an enigma. For years, he didn't really do much coming down the order apart from the rare success (ie Natwest). As soon as Chappell took over, Kaif was promoted to #3 for a short period and did quite well. Unfortunately, the management blew it and pushed him back down the order. Since then, he has wasted the rare opportunity, done well only to get dropped and been recalled only to fail. He still has a role to play IMO.

[Richard]

Certainly in the post-Ganguly\Dravid\Tendulkar era he has a role IMO, it's just a question of whether he can take his chances.

I mean, it makes perfect sense that he'd be better at three or four, but for some reason his two most notable innings have come at seven!

[vic_orthdox]

Rohit Sharma > Pujara

[ramkumar_gr]

Originally Posted by ramkumar_gr

Gautham Gambhir
Swapnil Asnodkar/Barrington Rowland
VVS Laxman
C Raghu
Hemang Badani
Cheteswar Pujara
S Badrinath
Joginder Sharma
Ramesh Powar
JP Yadav/Praveen Kumar
P Ohja
VRV Singh
RP Singh
Abid Nabi
Rakesh Patel

Certainly Mongia, Kaif and Raina have had their times and do not deserve another chance.
May be Raina down the line if he puts up good shows in the domestic front. But i dont find him in the Deodhar matches? Is he injured.

Refined list would be


Gautham Gambhir
Yusuf Pathan (seems to be playing well as a hitter, good and useful bowler)
VVS Laxman
C Raghu
Hemang Badani (certainly not past it, can play a big role if selected)
Cheteswar Pujara/Rohit Sharma( But Pujara has played some vital and of course big knocks in the Ranji)
S Badrinath
Joginder Sharma
Ramesh Powar
JP Yadav/Praveen Kumar
P Ohja/S Nadeem
VRV Singh
RP Singh
Abid Nabi
Rakesh Patel/K.S.Shahabuddin (He is a long serving player and he can also bat)

[Jono]

Raina doesn't deserve another chance? He's 19 FFS.

[Richard]

I'm hoping he meant another immidiate chance...

[silentstriker]

Yup, maybe in three-four years after some consistent performances in the domestic circuit.

[adharcric]

Even a year of two of consistent performances would be adequate considering he has already had two or three good seasons. I'd rather see him excel for India A abroad.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by ramkumar_gr

Certainly Mongia, Kaif and Raina have had their times and do not deserve another chance.
May be Raina down the line if he puts up good shows in the domestic front. But i dont find him in the Deodhar matches? Is he injured.

Refined list would be


Gautham Gambhir
Yusuf Pathan (seems to be playing well as a hitter, good and useful bowler)
VVS Laxman
C Raghu
Hemang Badani (certainly not past it, can play a big role if selected)
Cheteswar Pujara/Rohit Sharma( But Pujara has played some vital and of course big knocks in the Ranji)
S Badrinath
Joginder Sharma
Ramesh Powar
JP Yadav/Praveen Kumar
P Ohja/S Nadeem
VRV Singh
RP Singh
Abid Nabi
Rakesh Patel/K.S.Shahabuddin (He is a long serving player and he can also bat)

JP Yadav is finished. Badani is finished. Ojha and Nadeem haven't taken wickets for long enough. Nabi has potential but he's behind others who have taken plenty of Elite League wickets. Raghu is a prospect but I don't see how he's anything special at this point. Sahabuddin, according to Arjun IIRC, bowls at 120 kph.
Here's what my India A (excluding WC selections) side would look like right now.
First-class
G Gambhir, C Pujara, M Kaif*, S Badrinath, S Raina, R Sharma, P Shah+, J Sharma, R Powar, P Chawla, G Singh, VRV Singh, I Sharma, R Bose
Limited Overs
G Gambhir, S Dhawan, M Kaif*, S Badrinath, S Raina, R Sharma/M Tiwary, P Patel+, Y Pathan, R Powar, P Chawla, RP Singh, VRV Singh, I Sharma, R Patel