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    Why Pakistan is best known as cornered tigers

    Is there any other team which performs better when defending low totals?

    Here is a stat which shows how Pakistani bowlers do when they defend totals under 200

    Most matches won for a bowler when defending less than 200 in an ODI (qualification: average 30 balls per match) Player Span Mat Won
    Ave Econ Lost Ave Econ


    Wasim Akram (Pak) 1984-2003 53
    15 10.12 2.65 36 29.05
    3.38

    Waqar Younis (Pak) 1989-2003 38
    12 13.40 3.21 25 41.05
    4.13

    SM Pollock (Afr/ICC/SA) 1996-2007 21
    9 10.78 2.46 11 41.00
    3.46

    Shahid Afridi (Asia/ICC/Pak) 1996-2007 22
    8 11.45 2.96 14 34.37
    3.81

    JH Kallis (Afr/ICC/SA) 1996-2007 15
    7 22.11 3.82 8 45.20
    5.94

    L Klusener (SA) 1996-2004 13
    7 14.53 3.69 6 51.00
    4.98

    Mushtaq Ahmed (Pak) 1989-2003 22
    7 14.91 2.75 15 74.50
    4.04

    RMH Binny (India) 1980-1987 15
    6 14.50 3.66 9 37.57
    4.18

    N Kapil Dev (India) 1978-1994 34
    6 13.18 2.74 27 43.00
    3.09

    Saqlain Mushtaq (Pak) 1995-2003 16
    6 20.42 2.97 10 47.42
    4.42


    PS-note that 5/10 top bowlers are Pakistani and winning a cumalative 48 matches where the target was under 200 (i probably double counted)

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    Those statistics fail to take into account the effect of drug use and ball tampering on performance.

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    and superior talent

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    Talent for altering the condition of the ball illegaly yes.


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    PLUS THE TALENT TO KICK SOME BEHIND WHEN LEAST EXPECTED..

    BTW ALTHOUGH I WANTED TO DISREGARD YOUR ALLEGATION BUT JUST NOTE3 OF THOSE 5 BOWLERS IN THE LIST ARE SPINNERS WHO WONT GET ANYTHING FROM TEMPERING

    CMON DUDE, take some water with it, you will swallow these fact easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla1010 View Post
    PLUS THE TALENT TO KICK SOME BEHIND WHEN LEAST EXPECTED..

    BTW ALTHOUGH I WANTED TO DISREGARD YOUR ALLEGATION BUT JUST NOTE3 OF THOSE 5 BOWLERS IN THE LIST ARE SPINNERS WHO WONT GET ANYTHING FROM TEMPERING

    CMON DUDE, take some water with it, you will swallow these fact easily
    no but they will get help from doing saturday Night Fever on a length
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    well there are poeple who credit Warne's 700 wickets to his Grandma's medicines and Murli's 700 to his physical discrepency, so should we just put an astrix to all of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla1010 View Post
    well there are poeple who credit Warne's 700 wickets to his Grandma's medicines and Murli's 700 to his physical discrepency, so should we just put an astrix to all of them?
    Yes yes we should.


























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    The phrase "cornered tigers" originally comes from the 92 world cup,
    pakistan had no hope of winning the world cup and only got through when another teams match was rained out(i think, cant remember)
    imran khan got them all into a room and said stuff like
    "from now on think as if you are a tiger and you are cornered)
    stuff to that extent
    and we all know what happened after that
    that mentality has stuck in pakistani cricket since all them years
    even if they do have half the talent they had back then

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    Errr...the 'cornered tiger' phrase existed well before the '92 world cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla1010 View Post
    Is there any other team which performs better when defending low totals?
    Sorry to bring logic or common sense to the argument but using the figures you quote, the answer is a resounding YES.

    There are certainly better teams at defending 200.

    Wasim Akram (Pak) 1984-2003 53 games 15 victories. Winning %age= 28%

    Waqar Younis (Pak) 38 games 12 wins. Winning %age= 32%

    SM Pollock (Afr/ICC/SA) 21 games 9 wins. Winning %age= 43%

    Shahid Afridi (Asia/ICC/Pak) 22 games 8 wins. Winning %age= 36%

    JH Kallis (Afr/ICC/SA) 15 games 7 wins. Winning %age= 47%

    L Klusener (SA) 1996-2004 13 games 7 wins. Winning %age= 54%

    Mushtaq Ahmed (Pak) 22 games 7 wins. Winning %age= 32%

    Saqlain Mushtaq (Pak) 16 games 6 win. Winning %age= 38%

    Fair to say, using your own figures, that South Africa are far superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Errr...the 'cornered tiger' phrase existed well before the '92 world cup.
    but it was made famous in the cricket world by pakistan in 92

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The phrase "cornered tigers" originally comes from the 92 world cup,
    pakistan had no hope of winning the world cup and only got through when another teams match was rained out(i think, cant remember)
    It was their own group game against England: Pak had been dismissed for about 70, and then the rains came down. Sharing the points from that game allowed them to progress to the semifinals, and the rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by open365 View Post
    Those statistics fail to take into account the effect of drug use and ball tampering on performance.
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    Talent for altering the condition of the ball illegaly yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy View Post
    no but they will get help from doing saturday Night Fever on a length
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