Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 26

Thread: Duncan Fletcher

  1. #1
    Cricket Spectator
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    ENGLAND
    Posts
    2

    Icon8 Duncan Fletcher

    Hi,
    i thought would post this message on the fact that Duncan Fletcher apparently deserves an apology from his critics. I however disagree. England on the whole tour of Australia won only 5 games 2 of which happened to be in the final.Obviously he must be congratulated on winning the commonwealth bank series aswell as the whole of the England team. But people are forgetting about the ashes.A 5-0 whitewash , the wrong team was picked on basiccly all the tests. Ashley Giles was a complete waste of time , and finally when monty came in he took 5 wickets. Why take players and injured players who havnt played any cricket for over a year. SO NO HE DOES NOT DESERVE AN APOLOGY.

    Does anyone else agree with me..........

    However the world cup team i am very happy with.

  2. #2
    International Coach social's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    AUSTRALIA
    Posts
    12,353
    Quote Originally Posted by toons_39 View Post
    Hi,
    i thought would post this message on the fact that Duncan Fletcher apparently deserves an apology from his critics. I however disagree. England on the whole tour of Australia won only 5 games 2 of which happened to be in the final.Obviously he must be congratulated on winning the commonwealth bank series aswell as the whole of the England team. But people are forgetting about the ashes.A 5-0 whitewash , the wrong team was picked on basiccly all the tests. Ashley Giles was a complete waste of time , and finally when monty came in he took 5 wickets. Why take players and injured players who havnt played any cricket for over a year. SO NO HE DOES NOT DESERVE AN APOLOGY.

    Does anyone else agree with me..........

    However the world cup team i am very happy with.
    Seems to think that he deserves all the plaudits when the team wins but none of the brickbats when they lose

    I've said many times that it's ridiculous how much control he has, particularly when so many of his decisions are biased (Jones' selection) or ****e (playing of injured players

  3. #3
    Banned Stumped's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Behind the Stumps
    Posts
    1,071
    I dont think its all his fault i think his players have a case to answer for

  4. #4
    International Captain cover drive man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Liverpool, England
    Posts
    7,092
    I agree he doesn't deserve an apology.


  5. #5
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Seems to think that he deserves all the plaudits when the team wins but none of the brickbats when they lose
    Bull****.

    DF has countless times refused to take any great plaudits for the team's successes.
    RD
    Appreciating cricket's greatest legend ever - HD Bird...............Funniest post (intentionally) ever.....Runner-up.....Third.....Fourth
    (Accidental) founder of Twenty20 Is Boring Society. Click and post to sign-up.
    chris.hinton: h
    FRAZ: Arshad's are a long gone stories
    RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990-15/4/2006

  6. #6
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by toons_39 View Post
    Hi,
    i thought would post this message on the fact that Duncan Fletcher apparently deserves an apology from his critics. I however disagree. England on the whole tour of Australia won only 5 games 2 of which happened to be in the final.Obviously he must be congratulated on winning the commonwealth bank series aswell as the whole of the England team. But people are forgetting about the ashes.A 5-0 whitewash , the wrong team was picked on basiccly all the tests. Ashley Giles was a complete waste of time , and finally when monty came in he took 5 wickets. Why take players and injured players who havnt played any cricket for over a year. SO NO HE DOES NOT DESERVE AN APOLOGY.

    Does anyone else agree with me..........

    However the world cup team i am very happy with.
    Monty Panesar is no miracle-worker.

    And IMO the presumption that he is has one hell of a lot to do with the anti-Duncan Fletcher sentiments currently flying around.

  7. #7
    International Captain
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    england
    Posts
    5,690
    Who said he deserves and apology?
    He gets praise if England win (that is win meaningful matches consistantly not a meaningless tin pot trophy) and criticism when we lose. The same applies to any coach in any sport (including Deep Sea Squid Wrestling).

  8. #8
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Who said he deserves and apology?
    David Graveney.

  9. #9
    International Captain Swervy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    An Aussie with a Lancashire accent living in Keighley,West Yorks
    Posts
    7,360
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Monty Panesar is no miracle-worker.

    And IMO the presumption that he is has one hell of a lot to do with the anti-Duncan Fletcher sentiments currently flying around.
    no, Monty isnt a miracle worker, but the appreciation of his bowling that many people have isnt down to anti-Fletcher sentiment, its down to him being quite obviously a good bowler with a very bright future, and also being quite easily the best England qualified spinner in the country.

    The Giles selection debacle was one of the great English cricket farces IMO of the last 30 years, and there have been plenty of those
    rave down, hit the ground


    MSN: djjacksono@hotmail.com

  10. #10
    International Captain
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    england
    Posts
    5,690
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    David Graveney.

    Ah! A totally unbiased independent source.

  11. #11
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Well accoding to Nasser Hussain the Graveney-Fletcher axis hasn't always been a picture of serenity...

  12. #12
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy View Post
    no, Monty isnt a miracle worker, but the appreciation of his bowling that many people have isnt down to anti-Fletcher sentiment, its down to him being quite obviously a good bowler with a very bright future, and also being quite easily the best England qualified spinner in the country.
    Err, where on Earth did I say "the appreciation of his bowling that many people have is down to anti-Fletcher sentiment"? I said the anti-Fletcher sentiment is a result of his not picking MSP in those 2 Tests.

    Sure, MSP is a good bowler and sure he'll probably have a good career, but his popularity is far more down to his enthusiasm and (perhaps - hopefully so - in the past) his comical fielding than good bowling.

    And because of said popularity, his non-selection has engendered far, far more hyperbolic criticism than it deserved.

    To suggest that had MSP played the first 2 Tests - instead of anyone - the result of those 2 games would've been different is laughable. Unless you're suggesting he was more likely to have caught Ponting than Giles was.
    The Giles selection debacle was one of the great English cricket farces IMO of the last 30 years, and there have been plenty of those
    Ha! Giles' selection was quite justified IMO, it was Anderson who should never, ever have been picked ahead of MSP.

  13. #13
    International Coach grecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Oh, God, I'm bored. Might as well be listening to Genesis
    Posts
    14,953
    Giles selection was ridiculous because he hadn't played any meaningful cricket for almost a year. Which did make his lack of batting and fielding sharpness predictable, supposedly the two disciplines that separated him from Monty. That's why it was a risible decision to play Giles. Importantly not just unfair on Monty, but terribly unfair to Ashley IMHO.

    This was never an argument about a fully-fit Giles against Panesar or Anderson, which is a reasonable debate. So stop making it that.

    I have no idea whether playing Monty would have stopped us losing the first two tests, because I have not got a crystal ball, but you're assertion that it wouldn't, suggests you do.
    Last edited by grecian; 19-02-2007 at 04:19 PM.

  14. #14
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    It suggests that all the evidence points to it not doing. There is nothing to suggest MSP's performances would've been superior to Giles'. Both pitches were incredibly flat (apart from the final couple of sessions at Brisbane), Giles barely turned a ball in either game, and so it's reasonable to suggest MSP's bowling would have made no impact. And his batting and fielding is inferior (even if, as is pointed-out ad nauseum, it's not as bad as it used to be) so there's no reason to suggest it'd have done so.

    Giles, meanwhile, was quite fit - he just hadn't played. And he's had spells of not playing for ages before now, too.

  15. #15
    International Coach grecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Oh, God, I'm bored. Might as well be listening to Genesis
    Posts
    14,953
    He hadn't played, so wasn't sharp. Shouldn't of been selected. I'd rather Dalrymple had played.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Duncan Fletcher Blasts Australia
    By howardj in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 172
    Last Post: 17-02-2007, 05:25 PM
  2. Fletcher - Time To Go?
    By superkingdave in forum Ashes 2006/07
    Replies: 49
    Last Post: 18-01-2007, 03:07 PM
  3. An open letter to Duncan Fletcher
    By Scmods in forum Ashes 2006/07
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 05-12-2006, 08:36 PM
  4. Bob Woolmer > Duncan Fletcher.
    By Rob24 in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 03-12-2005, 02:53 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •